Questionable BCAPL Sanctioning Going on in Wisconsin?

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That's right! Come to Wisconsin and sanction in one day! The BCAPL is bending all their own league operator rules to get whomever they can to sanction for their upcoming Wisconsin State tournament. They will not accept CSI Associate Members, but are handling players individually anyway they can. They won't post these special deals and you need to private message them too, so this does not go public. We know for a fact that there are leagues that have formed that all you have to do is pay the $15 and play all four of your matches in one day/night. One league is running a round robin to sanction everyone in one day and other is running a league that is 4 weeks long, but you can play all four matches in one night during that four week period. How about the rest of the states? Wouldn't you like to qualify for nationals and regionals in one night like Wisconsin? Do you think this is fair to all the other players across the country that have to play in a BCAPL league that requires to you play your weeks on different dates or 8 weeks for nationals? Players in Wisconsin can do it all in one night.

After reading the League Operator Manual, it clearly defines what is required as a league. This is right from the sanctioning agreement of the manual:

Each division of your league will run at least eight (8) calendar weeks of competition. Players competing in a minimum of eight (8) full regularly scheduled league matches in the same league division over at least eight (8) calendar weeks during a sanctioned league session shall be eligible to compete in the Singles, Scotch Doubles, and Team divisions of the BCAPL National Championships. NOTE: Players in singles and doubles leagues will not be eligible to form teams for BCAPL state, regional, or national team events. However, players in scotch doubles divisions may act as "substitutes" for a team from a team division of the same league.

There are leagues that ran in Wisconsin where players drove a couple hours each way to sanction. I'm sure there are others around the country, that have done the same. How is this fair to players that have put their time and dedication to promoting league play for the BCAPL?

Additionally, in comparing the Wisconsin BCAPL state tournament to the Texas BCAPL state tournament, the fees are far less in Wisconsin. $5 registration fees in Wisconsin vs $15 in Texas. $20 green fees in Wisconsin vs $25-$35 in Texas. And $10,000 added in Wisconsin vs only $7,000 added in Texas. CSI Associate Members are not allowed in Wisconsin, citing the promotion of league play as the reason.


How is it that a national organization that says they are so dedicated to promoting league play allow this sort of activity in Wisconsin, and then reward them for it?
 
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So BCAPL will not accept CSI Associate Members? Isn't BCAPL and CSI one in the same? I'm confused.
 
To clear things up

Yes the BCAPL and CSI are the same thing ro the BCAPL is a branch of the CSI. Anyway, CSI Associate Members (formerly called Player Members) are not permitted in the Wisconsin tournament, but your can qualify in one night by playing four matches. Totally against the BCAPL sanction requirements/agreement for a league operator
 
Which leagues in Wisconsin specifically? I can attest to the one I play in Milwaukee is 8 weeks. It looks like you're trying to stir the pot...
 
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That's right! Come to Wisconsin and sanction in one day! The BCAPL is bending all their own league operator rules to get whomever they can to sanction for their upcoming Wisconsin State tournament. They will not accept CSI Associate Members, but are handling players individually anyway they can. They won't post these special deals and you need to private message them too, so this does not go public. We know for a fact that there are leagues that have formed that all you have to do is pay the $15 and play all four of your matches in one day/night. One league is running a round robin to sanction everyone in one day and other is running a league that is 4 weeks long, but you can play all four matches in one night during that four week period. How about the rest of the states? Wouldn't you like to qualify for nationals and regionals in one night like Wisconsin? Do you think this is fair to all the other players across the country that have to play in a BCAPL league that requires to you play your weeks on different dates or 8 weeks for nationals? Players in Wisconsin can do it all in one night.

After reading the League Operator Manual, it clearly defines what is required as a league. This is right from the sanctioning agreement of the manual:

Each division of your league will run at least eight (8) calendar weeks of competition. Players competing in a minimum of eight (8) full regularly scheduled league matches in the same league division over at least eight (8) calendar weeks during a sanctioned league session shall be eligible to compete in the Singles, Scotch Doubles, and Team divisions of the BCAPL National Championships. NOTE: Players in singles and doubles leagues will not be eligible to form teams for BCAPL state, regional, or national team events. However, players in scotch doubles divisions may act as "substitutes" for a team from a team division of the same league.

There are leagues that ran in Wisconsin where players drove a couple hours each way to sanction. I'm sure there are others around the country, that have done the same. How is this fair to players that have put their time and dedication to promoting league play for the BCAPL?

Additionally, in comparing the Wisconsin BCAPL state tournament to the Texas BCAPL state tournament, the fees are far less in Wisconsin. $5 registration fees in Wisconsin vs $15 in Texas. $20 green fees in Wisconsin vs $25-$35 in Texas. And $10,000 added in Wisconsin vs only $7,000 added in Texas. CSI Associate Members are not allowed in Wisconsin, citing the promotion of league play as the reason.


How is it that a national organization that says they are so dedicated to promoting league play allow this sort of activity in Wisconsin, and then reward them for it?
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All your previous posting are calling out the BCAPL in some shape or form. What's your beef with them?
 
part if an email from the Madison league

All matches will be played at Pitcher's Pub and scheduled on Sundays at 4:00pm. Matches do not need to be played at the scheduled time, simply call your opponent and set up a date and time to shoot at Pitcher's. Score sheets and envelopes will be provided at Pitcher's Pub.

League dates will be scheduled 1/25, 2/1, 2/8 & 2/15. All matches must be completed by 2/15 and can be completed in as little as one day.
 
Really?

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part if an email from the Madison league

All matches will be played at Pitcher's Pub and scheduled on Sundays at 4:00pm. Matches do not need to be played at the scheduled time, simply call your opponent and set up a date and time to shoot at Pitcher's. Score sheets and envelopes will be provided at Pitcher's Pub.

League dates will be scheduled 1/25, 2/1, 2/8 & 2/15. All matches must be completed by 2/15 and can be completed in as little as one day.
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An I guess you have a problem with people having fun playing pool? Really? You must be one of those members not allowed I would guess.
 
labrat said:
That's right! Come to Wisconsin and sanction in one day! The BCAPL is bending all their own league operator rules to get whomever they can to sanction for their upcoming Wisconsin State tournament. They will not accept CSI Associate Members, but are handling players individually anyway they can. They won't post these special deals and you need to private message them too, so this does not go public. We know for a fact that there are leagues that have formed that all you have to do is pay the $15 and play all four of your matches in one day/night. One league is running a round robin to sanction everyone in one day and other is running a league that is 4 weeks long, but you can play all four matches in one night during that four week period. How about the rest of the states? Wouldn't you like to qualify for nationals and regionals in one night like Wisconsin? Do you think this is fair to all the other players across the country that have to play in a BCAPL league that requires to you play your weeks on different dates or 8 weeks for nationals? Players in Wisconsin can do it all in one night.

After reading the League Operator Manual, it clearly defines what is required as a league. This is right from the sanctioning agreement of the manual:

Each division of your league will run at least eight (8) calendar weeks of competition. Players competing in a minimum of eight (8) full regularly scheduled league matches in the same league division over at least eight (8) calendar weeks during a sanctioned league session shall be eligible to compete in the Singles, Scotch Doubles, and Team divisions of the BCAPL National Championships. NOTE: Players in singles and doubles leagues will not be eligible to form teams for BCAPL state, regional, or national team events. However, players in scotch doubles divisions may act as "substitutes" for a team from a team division of the same league.

There are leagues that ran in Wisconsin where players drove a couple hours each way to sanction. I'm sure there are others around the country, that have done the same. How is this fair to players that have put their time and dedication to promoting league play for the BCAPL?

Additionally, in comparing the Wisconsin BCAPL state tournament to the Texas BCAPL state tournament, the fees are far less in Wisconsin. $5 registration fees in Wisconsin vs $15 in Texas. $20 green fees in Wisconsin vs $25-$35 in Texas. And $10,000 added in Wisconsin vs only $7,000 added in Texas. CSI Associate Members are not allowed in Wisconsin, citing the promotion of league play as the reason.


How is it that a national organization that says they are so dedicated to promoting league play allow this sort of activity in Wisconsin, and then reward them for it?
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Not sure what is going on here, you don't like them playing 4 matches in one day? What's the difference? It's 4 matches, they pay for each match, they get the score for each match. If they were allowed in with less than the number needed to qualify is one thing, but they are playing the required number of sets.

Should people not be allowed to buy Halloween candy day after at a huge discount because some others bought it at a higher price day before?
 
You do mean BCA and not WSPA, which the WSPA state tournament is this coming weekend, correct? If that is the case my guess would be that BCA turn out is small due to so many leagues being WSPA organized now.
 
I think this is a bit ridiculous that this is allowed. The last BCAPL league I shot in last year ran 20+ weeks where my team and I each traveled anywhere from 25 minutes to 70 minutes to get there. Just to get sanctioned for state and/or regional and nationals. I know a gal who drove 2.5 hours one way for four weeks just to get sanctioned. Now we can do it in one day? Nobody seems surprised about this, so this is obviously common practice for BCAPL leagues.

BCAPL Player Members (now evidently called CSI Associate Members) are not allowed to shoot team events, for reasons of promoting team play. Sanctioning in one day promotes nothing.
 
BCAPL Response

The great thing about the internet is that anyone with a keyboard has a voice. The bad thing about the internet is that anyone with a keyboard has a voice.

In all seriousness, this particular person has an obsessive grudge with the BCAPL. His AzBilliards account was created in May of 2014 and he has made a total of six (6) posts – each and every one with the sole purpose of attacking CSI and the BCAPL. He has a single purpose for being here and has not contributed to any other discussion in any other way (see below). He is closely affiliated with a competing league organization and although we do know his name, we will not reveal it since it could harm him professionally. It is sad that he or they are desperately trying to undermine our 2015 BCAPL Wisconsin State Championships in this way.

We at CSI work very hard to do good things for the pool industry. We have a full-time staff of ten (10) people and we are all extremely busy each and every day. We are simply not going to engage anonymous posters in a keyboard debate every time they make erroneous comments. However, if this person would like to sit down across from me on a future CSI Podcast and have a civil and respectful debate about his assertions, I will give him the opportunity to do so. Otherwise, we are simply not going to react to this type of foolishness. Thank you.

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I fail to see how getting more people to a state or regional tournament is a bad thing? I've seen teams contest rosters because they don't think they can beat another team or try to get teams thrown out and it always seemed like a joke to me. IMO the more players the better and I wish more leagues would find ways to get as many players to any and all tournaments possible.

Can someone explain to me the bad part of this because I'm lost..
 
Why not just address the concern? We don't need a podcast. I posted part of an email that clearly is breaking your sanctioning agreement that the BCAPL has with their League Operators. Why can WI do this and the rest of the states have to play 8 weeks on separate calendar days?
 
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