Yeah, that's a really smart idea.
Then all you'd have to do is charge $1k per DVD and hope all 250 people in the world that watch straight pool would buy it so you could break even.
Why has no one beat Mosconi's high run?
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Yeah, that's a really smart idea.
Then all you'd have to do is charge $1k per DVD and hope all 250 people in the world that watch straight pool would buy it so you could break even.
Thanks to all that contributed! I will be using the opinions (and my hypothesis of what your opinions would be) to write my assignment.
It was simply an exercise in the scientific method, used in a sociological topic, and being that I love the society of pool players on AZb, this is what I chose to use for my paper.
I appreciate all of your time, thank you!
It was simply an exercise in the scientific method, used in a sociological topic, and being that I love the society of pool players on AZb, this is what I chose to use for my paper.
I appreciate all of your time, thank you!
There may be more to it then that. Breaking one of the longest standing records in sports is news. If done right and promoted right they would become famous over night. We live in the age of the over night celebrity.
From there who knows where they could parlay their new found fame into maybe a GEICO commercial or who knows what. The feat would not be at all worthless.
They would have their name in the records books for good.
It would not hurt pool at all either to have a known player that hasn't been dead for a few decades.
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I really doubt the record can be broken even if conditions are duplicated. With all due respect to all of today's pros, we're talking about something specific, and up to date there has only one Mosconi appeared in this world.
At least until a next one like him comes along (if it ever happens because Pool is in different direction now compared to his era, that's not the main issue though here) we can't go into any logic of "Player A could do it but... etc".
So the record remains, simple as that.
Petros
At least until a next one like him comes along (if it ever happens because Pool is in different direction now compared to his era, that's not the main issue though here) we can't go into any logic of "Player A could do it but... etc".
So the record remains, simple as that.
Petros
It never ceases to amaze me that someone, anyone, would discount or minimize the feat of running 35 consecutive racks of balls because it was on an 8 foot table with 5" pockets.
I have a feeling that the act of running 400 compared to 500 is a HUGE difference.
I think Earl ran 408 in a little over 2 hours. How crazy is that?
I have a feeling that the act of running 400 compared to 500 is a HUGE difference.
I think Earl ran 408 in a little over 2 hours. How crazy is that?
Mosconi carried his own personal set of balls with him to use on new cloth. That were the stipulations if I am remembering correctly. John has said before that if someone were to put up the money he would practice just for the record and I am willing to bet he would beat it. If he did then what? People would say the cloth is faster now or the balls are slicker now so it is a no win situation for him other than the money if someone would put it up.
I think some sponsor/organization should set up a side room with an 8' table, 5" pockets and era-correct cloth at an event like DCC, or Turning Stone. Call it the Mosconi Challenge table and put something like a $5k prize on it and give some people a chance.
I wonder if the table would remain empty, or if it would see non-stop action?
Either way, I think it would be a great experiment and very entertaining... Just to see what high-run ends up being for the session.
Also, depending on participation and interest levels, that could be an annual regular fixture until the record is finally broken. It could make for interesting news-worthy plug to give pool some notoriety in the mainstream when the record finally falls.
Would be cool to have that table streamed 24/7 during said tourney.
I wonder if the table would remain empty, or if it would see non-stop action?
Either way, I think it would be a great experiment and very entertaining... Just to see what high-run ends up being for the session.
Also, depending on participation and interest levels, that could be an annual regular fixture until the record is finally broken. It could make for interesting news-worthy plug to give pool some notoriety in the mainstream when the record finally falls.
Would be cool to have that table streamed 24/7 during said tourney.
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You and me are thinking along the same lines. I was going to post almost the same thing.
How much can a table like that cost? And how much to stream it? I think the income from charging a fee for "x" number of tries would more than pay for the table cost/rental and the streaming.
Yup... The more I think about this, the more it seems like a missed marketing opportunity for non-Simonis cloth manufacturer.
How cool would it be for a cloth maker to claim "WORLD RECORD STRAIGHT POOL RUN WAS MADE ON OUR CLOTH!"
Something like this might give the great game of 14.1 a much-needed shot in the arm, too...
Thing is to do it and be official is a hard thing to do. You just can not say I'll run 500 balls and then do it.
It aint easy.
Then again it may have been done but the situation did not allow for it to be official, as in the case of Babe Cranfield running over 700.
Oh 35 racks means 35 break shots.
Try this just roll 15 balls on the table over and over and see if you can run over 500.
Better yet, just keep track of how many you do run before missing. You must play the balls where they stop. No moving anything.
Now add trying to set up a break shot.
Good luck.
It aint easy.
Then again it may have been done but the situation did not allow for it to be official, as in the case of Babe Cranfield running over 700.
Oh 35 racks means 35 break shots.
Try this just roll 15 balls on the table over and over and see if you can run over 500.
Better yet, just keep track of how many you do run before missing. You must play the balls where they stop. No moving anything.
Now add trying to set up a break shot.
Good luck.
Because the modern day shafts aren't just LD enough.
Must wait another ten years when the shafts weigh 1 oz and
flex like a guitar string.
Then you'll see + 500 runs.
John Smidt has said that the higher you go, the more the pressure builds.
Also, people keep saying the pockets were big, but no one here has ever verified it. Not sure why it should matter anyway. People on this forum are way too hung up on pocket size.
If it could be done, it would. It's the simple. Mosconi was not paid a fortune for the exhibition in which he made the famous run. Why does someone need to be paid a fortune to do it.
So, why can't someone else be paid a small stipend to do the same? Who the heck would NOT want that record and pick up a few bucks in the process. Is playing pool for 3 hours really that horrible of a chore to forever be known as Mr. 527 ?
And if you don't succeed in breaking the record, would that not be excellent practice for whatever game you play ?
So, why can't someone else be paid a small stipend to do the same? Who the heck would NOT want that record and pick up a few bucks in the process. Is playing pool for 3 hours really that horrible of a chore to forever be known as Mr. 527 ?
And if you don't succeed in breaking the record, would that not be excellent practice for whatever game you play ?
The record has been unofficially broken multiple times. http://hermund.ardalen.com/straightpoolhighruns.htm
The problem is that the act needs to be witnessed by observers who aren't the player's best friend. Charles Ursitti has been quoted in various books that Mosconi could run balls until he dropped, he just didn't see the point to it ("it" being running balls for the sake of running balls.)
I think the biggest reason is that the record hasn't been broken in recent times is just that pool players have no incentive to play 14.1 enough to break it. There are no tournaments (well, one or two a year) to keep players in stroke and there are certainly no grand prize for officially breaking the record while under observation.
Alternately, Mosconi was constantly playing 14.1 in tournaments, exhibitions, or challenge matches.
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Your points are well taken, except for the least persuasive one above.
There are literally tens of thousands of such tables in the homes of most of our ball-banger less-serious-about-pool friends, neighbors, and friends-of-friends around the country. Pool is among the most democratic of all sports (or even hobby-like pastimes) with respect to being highly enjoyable, welcoming and widely accessible to any levels of skill or seriousness of interest.
Eight-footers have long been the best-selling size for the homes of folks who simply want some "fun furniture" as part of their occasional home recreation opportunities for themselves, their kids, and when entertaining visitors. For those exact reasons many (not all -- a la Diamond) of the leading & second-tier table manufacturers wisely include 8-footers with inordinately "forgiving" pockets within their offerings specifically designed for such homeowners.
Bottom line, any reasonably social person has friends, co-workers, retired acquaintances, parents or adult children who either own such a table or know others who do. And not a few of them would very predictably enjoy having a skilled player give a multi-hour record-pursuing session on their table a try, even offering to camcord their Straight Pool wizardry.
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