KO - World Champion

I played him in Bangkok when he was a teenager.

I said at the time he would be a World Champion.

I'm just surprised it took him this long.....
 
I played him in Bangkok when he was a teenager.

I said at the time he would be a World Champion.

I'm just surprised it took him this long.....

A great win....

If you look at the qualifying brackets, you will see that Ko Pin Yi was a SINGLE game (against Mika) from failing to make the final bracket..

I think even within the constraints of time and tables, it would be good to put a little more thought into to the qualifying format.
 
A great win....

If you look at the qualifying brackets, you will see that Ko Pin Yi was a SINGLE game (against Mika) from failing to make the final bracket..
But that's only because Ko lost his very first game to Leonardo Didal, not to mention Mika losing his first game to Pettman.

Stuff like that will happen when the favorites lose their first games in the group brackets.

I think even within the constraints of time and tables, it would be good to put a little more thought into to the qualifying format.
I'm curious what you think could be improved. I think the first round group brackets, which are double elimination and pseudo-seeded, is as best a compromise as you can get in terms of time/table constraints and fairness. It allows players to get used to the playing conditions by allowing one loss in the early stages.
 
what biado did could have been the best comeback of all. with how they both played, i think they're currently the 2 best 10-ball players in the world.
 
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He is a beast. I personally think he's the best 10b player on earth. He seems to be unshakable . Congrats to both.
Didn't little KO finish pretty good also?

Little Ko lost to his brother in the semis. Yang Ching Shun actually had a remarkable finish as well, considering that he rarely competes in pool anymore. From what I have seen, Little Ko may even have a stronger offensive game than his older brother, but his safety play is still questionable at the top level.
 
But that's only because Ko lost his very first game to Leonardo Didal, not to mention Mika losing his first game to Pettman.

Stuff like that will happen when the favorites lose their first games in the group brackets.

Yes, perhaps nothing is broken

I'm curious what you think could be improved. I think the first round group brackets, which are double elimination and pseudo-seeded, is as best a compromise as you can get in terms of time/table constraints and fairness. It allows players to get used to the playing conditions by allowing one loss in the early stages.

Double elimination is somewhat inefficient for table use. You need more tables for the first two rounds and then fewer later. You don't know whether a match will be 9 or 10 games or 16 or 17 games. You also don't know who your opponent is until a previous match is done. And you can't assign a table until a match is done and you see what tables are available. If you insist on prescribed times and tables, then you will have a lot of dead time on tables--time that could be used to separate the wheat from the chaff

A format that keeps all of the tables going with very little overhead time will be best. Round-robin is good because you can always have the next players waiting for the previous players-- Once A and B finish 5 games, C and D play on that table, and then A and D for 5 games, etc.

Of course the big problem with round robin is it's susceptibility to manipulation--players no longer in contention to advance can influence the fate of their opponents. So you don't want round-robin flights to get in. But that doesn't mean round-robin flights are not useful.

Instead of a 16-player double-elimination bracket (group A, for example) advancing four, I suggest the following.

Divide those 16 into two groups of 8, subgroups Aa and Ab. Do a round robin within each subgroup--say you play 5 games against each of the 7 opponents in your subgroup. This is efficient. Players play one after another on a table. Players also have breaks. But no tables go unused.

At the end of the round-robin, players are ordered within each subgroup according to how many of their 35 games they won with head-to-head score as a tiebreaker.

So you have Aa-1, Aa-2 ... Aa-8. Then there is a longer-race seeded single elimination playoff to get in--say race 13
First round matchups are as follows:

Aa-1 plays Ab-8
Aa-8 plays Ab-1
Aa-2 plays Ab-7
Aa-7 plays Ab-2
Aa-3 plays Ab-6
Aa-6 plays Aa-3
Aa-4 plays Ab-5
Aa-5 plays Ab-4

The four players that survive two rounds of this are in.
 
Yes, perhaps nothing is broken



Double elimination is somewhat inefficient for table use. You need more tables for the first two rounds and then fewer later. You don't know whether a match will be 9 or 10 games or 16 or 17 games. You also don't know who your opponent is until a previous match is done. And you can't assign a table until a match is done and you see what tables are available. If you insist on prescribed times and tables, then you will have a lot of dead time on tables--time that could be used to separate the wheat from the chaff

A format that keeps all of the tables going with very little overhead time will be best. Round-robin is good because you can always have the next players waiting for the previous players-- Once A and B finish 5 games, C and D play on that table, and then A and D for 5 games, etc.

Of course the big problem with round robin is it's susceptibility to manipulation--players no longer in contention to advance can influence the fate of their opponents. So you don't want round-robin flights to get in. But that doesn't mean round-robin flights are not useful.

Instead of a 16-player double-elimination bracket (group A, for example) advancing four, I suggest the following.

Divide those 16 into two groups of 8, subgroups Aa and Ab. Do a round robin within each subgroup--say you play 5 games against each of the 7 opponents in your subgroup. This is efficient. Players play one after another on a table. Players also have breaks. But no tables go unused.

At the end of the round-robin, players are ordered within each subgroup according to how many of their 35 games they won with head-to-head score as a tiebreaker.

So you have Aa-1, Aa-2 ... Aa-8. Then there is a longer-race seeded single elimination playoff to get in--say race 13
First round matchups are as follows:

Aa-1 plays Ab-8
Aa-8 plays Ab-1
Aa-2 plays Ab-7
Aa-7 plays Ab-2
Aa-3 plays Ab-6
Aa-6 plays Aa-3
Aa-4 plays Ab-5
Aa-5 plays Ab-4

The four players that survive two rounds of this are in.

Slice it dice it how ever you want the cream of the crop always seems to be around in the end ,,if the 2 Ko's don't meet eachother you could very likely had a KOKO puffs final

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what biado did could have been the best comeback of all. with how they both played, i think they're currently the 2 best 10-ball players in the world.

The best come back was the 2005 9ball WPC kuo Po chen vs Wu chia Ching. Kuo is on the hill 16-12 .Kuo plays a safe and doesn't catch the bottom rail with the cue ball by an 1/8 of an inch and Wu runs out and breaks and runs 4 racks to win 17-16.
 
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