Another Rule Question - Sorry!

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Questions:

What are some of the most used sets of rules? WPA and BCA? BCA seems to use WPA rules for 9 ball...

In 9 ball, if the person breaking has an illegal break (lets say miscues and completely misses rack) is it simply ball in hand for opponent?

I thought there was a rule where the opponent (non breaker) had the choice of re rack and breaking or taking ball in hand but I can't find that rule anywhere.

I am excluding APA rule set which allows breaker to foul and re rack to re attempt break, second foul on break gives break to opponent.
 
pocket said:
Questions:

What are some of the most used sets of rules? WPA and BCA? BCA seems to use WPA rules for 9 ball...

In 9 ball, if the person breaking has an illegal break (lets say miscues and completely misses rack) is it simply ball in hand for opponent?

I thought there was a rule where the opponent (non breaker) had the choice of re rack and breaking or taking ball in hand but I can't find that rule anywhere.

I am excluding APA rule set which allows breaker to foul and re rack to re attempt break, second foul on break gives break to opponent.
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Typically, it is a foul and results in forfeiting the break to the opponent. In league play, it is often ruled that the breaker gets another chance.
 
pocket said:
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I am excluding APA rule set which allows breaker to foul and re rack to re attempt break, second foul on break gives break to opponent.
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In The APA I believe there is no limit to the amount of time the breaker can attempt to break, unless it's something your LO has set as a limit on the local level
 
Celophanewrap said:
In The APA I believe there is no limit to the amount of time the breaker can attempt to break, unless it's something your LO has set as a limit on the local level
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Like I said, I wanted to exclude APA, but for clarity -

APA 9 Ball Rule Book:

3. Breaking - [...] If the break does
not qualify as legal, the balls are reracked and broken
by the same player. If the break does not qualify as legal
and results in a scratch, the balls are reracked and
broken by the opposite player. [...]
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I have a different rule question.
VNEA league. I'm stroking my shot and the player on the next table bumps me and my cue tip just touches the cue ball which is a foul.
But is it still a foul because I was bumped?
 
measureman said:
I have a different rule question.
VNEA league. I'm stroking my shot and the player on the next table bumps me and my cue tip just touches the cue ball which is a foul.
But is it still a foul because I was bumped?
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I would assume the cue ball and any other ball that was affected be moved back to their locations and no foul called. Interference from things outside of the playing surface usually result in the balls be placed in their original position.
 
measureman said:
I kept to the intent of the thread. Rules.
I really didn't want to start another rules thread.
So thanks for starting it. :thumbup:
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Since I started the thread I would guess that I would be clearest on what the intent was?

Intent of the thread was to clarify a specific rule about breaking fouls in 9ball.

It's all good.
 
Your "clarification" in the rule regarding the APA break is inaccurate. It does not reference the next break attempt. It simply means that if the breaker scratches (and by scratch that means into a pocket or off the table) then the opponent gets to break after the rack is re-racked.
 
The WPA World Standardized Rules were adopted by the BCA in their entirety.

The rule in 9 Ball is pretty clear, an illegal break is a foul. A foul in 9 Ball results in BIH. This situation happens on occasion (usually a miscue) and there is at least one standard play for the incoming player in the case where the breaker barely disturbed the stack - Place the cue ball close to the one ball and brush it lightly, minimizing disturbance to the stack, sending the cue ball to the side rail then down to the foot rail directly behind the stack, hooking your opponent. If done right it will require at least a two cushion kick. I've seen the breaker actually three fouled in this manner.

The rule is the same in the BCAPL rules for 9 Ball. 8 Ball is a different matter. In the BCAPL the game can't continue until there is a legal break. If a break is illegal the opponent can re-rack and break or require the original breaker to do the same.
 
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Billiardsfan said:
Your "clarification" in the rule regarding the APA break is inaccurate. It does not reference the next break attempt. It simply means that if the breaker scratches (and by scratch that means into a pocket or off the table) then the opponent gets to break after the rack is re-racked.
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Interesting. Apa seems to always default to a definitive vague position. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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