Dealing with Slow Players

There's another speed of play which is called medium speed ---- Not too fast and not too slow. Allison Fisher is deliberate but she isn't slow.

If you're too slow to the point where you hold up a tournament, then you shouldn't be in the tournament. It's pretty simple. Once in awhile? Sure. We've all done it. But consistently? No. There's something wrong there and that person needs to fix it.

Yes, but that's the extreme case. Of course if you're playing so slowly you're holding up a tournament, action should be taken if it persists.

Slow vs. medium... ya well that's all subjective to what an individual thinks is slow/medium.

I was talking about slow players in general, which is what this thread is about. Too many people keep stating that playing slow somehow means they are trying to shark you or they don't know what they're doing/aren't very good, which is not the case a lot of times.
 
Yes, but that's the extreme case. Of course if you're playing so slowly you're holding up a tournament, action should be taken if it persists.

Slow vs. medium... ya well that's all subjective to what an individual thinks is slow/medium.

I was talking about slow players in general, which is what this thread is about. Too many people keep stating that playing slow somehow means they are trying to shark you or they don't know what they're doing/aren't very good, which is not the case a lot of times.

If you're holding up a tournament, then you're slow. If you're not, then you're not slow. If you choose to play somebody who plays slow, then deal with it. It was your choice in the first place.
 
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I would take that bet. Just two weeks ago we timed a guy that had been taking a long time all night. We actually went to 3 tables because we were the last ones left. He broke and made one and that is when we started the clock. Before he took his opening shot after the break we were at 2:43. The game went 3 innings and took 26:49

Dude has no idea what he's talking about. I've also timed players that took around one or two minutes per shot.. average. One slow player took about as long to look over a single shot as it took me to play a rack with another opponent. Yeah.. play Varner.. what an absolutely jackass remark.. "don't like how low your mileage is? Drive a fully loaded rig". We're talking about inconsiderate, disrespectful and oblivious players, not a handful of pros that will run balls for hours.

There's a reason that every single real sport or game has a time limit, including pool tournaments.
 
When it's not your turn, sit there and stare at the cue ball. Don't let your focus wander for an instant. Don't get emotional, don't get bored or distracted. 100% focus. If you're doing this right, any time that passes will feel instantaneous when you're back to the table and you'll be ready to play.


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There's a reason that every single real sport or game has a time limit, including pool tournaments.


Does golf?

Pool tourneys only have time limits for tv reasons.

Some games involve time limit because how quickly you can accomplish something is a part of the game, like any sport where you have to cover distances for objectives.

Pool is not like that.


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I was watching Oscar play this guy from Spain in a Vegas tournament a few years ago. This dude was slooowwwww...zzzzzzz. The match took 3 1/2 hours and ran into the following session. It was aggravating for me and I was just spectating but Oscar sat calmly in his chair, sometimes glancing around at other matches but never got upset.

Afterward I asked Oscar how he seemed to handle it so well as I was agitated just witnessing it from the stands. He said, "Simple, I just accept that the reason I'm sitting in my chair is because I missed."

I've taken that with me. Doesn't always work for me but to the extent it does it's been a big help. Acceptance, hmmm. I'll have to remember that. ;)

I like this.
 
Does golf?

Pool tourneys only have time limits for tv reasons.

Some games involve time limit because how quickly you can accomplish something is a part of the game, like any sport where you have to cover distances for objectives.

Pool is not like that.


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Not true at all. Tournaments have time limits because if people keep running past their alotted time, then the whole thing gets delayed. Golf does have rules regarding slow play.

slooooow golfers

The time is there to keep up a pace of play, as most of the sports and games out there never see any more air time than a parent's camcorder.
 
What is the best way to deal with an extremely slow player when in a tournament or gambling.

I'm not exactly Earl Strickland fast myself, but really slow players drive me nuts. A game of 14.1 to 100/125 should not take 3 hours! The only thing I've come up with, is to really focus on making the most of my opportunities, knowing that if I miss I have to sit down for at least 5 minutes (if he makes 2 balls, lol) is really good motivation to bear down.

If I'm playing a "normal" type player I usually try to stay involved in the game by paying close attention to what he's doing, the choices etc, but with the snail pace ones it just drives me nuts, so I try to zone out instead. Haven't come up with anything better so far.
 
I'll play devil's advocate here.

It depends on the game. Rotation games like 9-ball and 10-ball don't take a lot of thought. You have one ball to shoot at, and a decision whether to play safe or go for it, and maybe think about the angle you need for 2 or 3 balls ahead. Beyond that you may have one key part of a rack that you need to break out a ball or setup for safe, but that's really all there is to it, and 75% of the time you are just running balls.

Games like 8-ball, straight pool, one-pocket, etc. all have a lot of strategy to it. Sure, you can play these games fairly well just running balls, but you miss the finer points of the game, and you are never going to be great at it. Straight pool and one-pocket may be self-explanatory, but 8-ball doesn't get enough respect. Most people see it as a simple game because you only have to make 7 balls (in any order) and the 8. The problem is, at any high level, to win races to 5+, you have to consistently run out, not run down to one ball, get in trouble, and then leave the table open to your opponent. In order to do this, you need to respect the patterns and spend time planning your pattern before you shoot the first ball, then allow for changing your plan throughout the rack when circumstances change. Especially on a bar table, there are always clusters to be negotiated. Go watch pro matches on youtube of top pros playing 8-ball. The only time they are playing fast is when it's a connect the dots out, with all balls wide open, which isn't that often.

My point is that I respect people who take their time to truly give the game the intellectual thought that it requires and deserves, instead of just trying to look cool, showing that you can just get down real fast and fire balls in. You have rhythm/feel players and you have methodical players. Look at Mike Dechaine. He is the poster boy for power/rhythm/feel/fast players, and he looks absolutely ridiculous if he's not in dead stroke a lot of times, just shooting balls straight into the rail. Then you have more methodical players like Ralf Souquet, who consistently play at an extremely high level.

There's no right or wrong way to do it, but have you ever thought about the minute details about a game that you might be missing out on because you just get up and shoot the first thing that looks obvious. Slow play does not necessarily mean they are trying to shark you or that they don't know what they're doing. The game is just that complicated a lot of times, even if you don't see it that way.

Lol, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
This myth that you have to be highly intelligent to play pool ( especially 1 pocket and str8 pool )
is a joke perpetuated by people who want to think they are smarter than other people.
And if hes 'soo smart'
why does he take soo long?!
Methodical is a nice way to say slow.
Intellectual thought ??? Are we going to Mars?
This is POOL mister, just POOL...lol
Most great players play in a timely manor with a good rhythm.
Never met a 'Mensa' that could run out.
The time to 'take your time' and 'think' about the game, is when you're practicing
 
Dude has no idea what he's talking about. I've also timed players that took around one or two minutes per shot.. average. One slow player took about as long to look over a single shot as it took me to play a rack with another opponent. Yeah.. play Varner.. what an absolutely jackass remark.. "don't like how low your mileage is? Drive a fully loaded rig". We're talking about inconsiderate, disrespectful and oblivious players, not a handful of pros that will run balls for hours.

Yeah I think I know exactly what I'm talking about. You came up against a player or players who play the game in a way you can't handle and you let it become an excuse to lose to them. Then you come here and post like they're the problem, when really it's all on you. I'm sorry the truth hurts.

And truth be told I have trouble dealing with it too. When you are forced to sit and watch someone playing slow the natural tendency is to get bored and then when you finally come to the table to rush your own play. Except then you're letting their game affect yours, instead of the other way around, and usually this is going to cause you to miss or miss position somewhere down the road. So yeah, the best defense against slow play is to not let it get to you. Patience is a virtue.

There's a reason that every single real sport or game has a time limit, including pool tournaments.

Lol, snooker has no time limit, and that game isn't exactly struggling these days. Same goes for baseball. Wouldn't it be nice if pool was as popular as either of those games?
 
Does golf?

Pool tourneys only have time limits for tv reasons.

Some games involve time limit because how quickly you can accomplish something is a part of the game, like any sport where you have to cover distances for objectives.

Pool is not like that.


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Yes and so should pool. If you think a player is slow (not methodical but slow), the opponent should be able to call a ref over and put the slow player on the clock. Of course, the tournament has to define what slow is.

http://www.weiunderpar.com/post/slow-playing-slow-play-on-the-pga-tour

Al
 
It's not. It's my definition. Simple common sense.

I'm pretty sure it isn't common sense that whoever runs a tournament and makes the time schedule determines what is slow and what isn't. I'm pretty sure slow is slow, regardless of what tournament you're playing in. I'm also pretty sure you can be a slow player without holding the brackets up.
 
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I'm pretty sure it isn't common sense that whoever runs a tournament and makes the time schedule determines what is slow and what isn't. I'm pretty sure slow is slow, regardless of what tournament you're playing in.

I play a tournament that has a 30 second shot clock. Every table has an official timer. The first time I played I thought it would be an issue but found 30 seconds is an eternity. One match I played the timer indicated I took an average of around 14 seconds per shot. I did not feel rushed. Also, we were allowed one extension per game. In all fairness, I must say the pool room only has three tables (small potatoes) and is limited to 32 players.

Al
 
Dude has no idea what he's talking about. I've also timed players that took around one or two minutes per shot.. average. One slow player took about as long to look over a single shot as it took me to play a rack with another opponent. Yeah.. play Varner.. what an absolutely jackass remark.. "don't like how low your mileage is? Drive a fully loaded rig". We're talking about inconsiderate, disrespectful and oblivious players, not a handful of pros that will run balls for hours.

There's a reason that every single real sport or game has a time limit, including pool tournaments.

I think the Dude has an idea about what he's talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Qbkg8Yahc
 
Lol, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
This myth that you have to be highly intelligent to play pool ( especially 1 pocket and str8 pool )
is a joke perpetuated by people who want to think they are smarter than other people.
And if hes 'soo smart'
why does he take soo long?!
Methodical is a nice way to say slow.
Intellectual thought ??? Are we going to Mars?
This is POOL mister, just POOL...lol
Most great players play in a timely manor with a good rhythm.
Never met a 'Mensa' that could run out.
The time to 'take your time' and 'think' about the game, is when you're practicing

When did I say you have to be highly intelligent to play pool? I said some games require intellectual thought, which does not imply that you have to be highly intelligent. God forbid I try to insinuate that such a simple game like pool takes any kind of intellectual thought. I guess SVB and Efren got to where they are at by just banging balls into the pockets. Anyway, I also realize that Mike Dechaine can get up and run 8 and out in one-pocket in 2 minutes flat without thinking at all sometimes.

My point is, if you want to be consistently great at games like one-pocket, it's like chess, and even running out consistently means you have to plan your patterns wisely. Most pool players are just good, and not great, because they don't have the discipline to take their time and think things through, and they just shoot balls in and rely on instinct.

Sure, throwing 9 balls on the table and running them out in order takes absolutely no thought, and I guess that's why it's the most popular way to practice...

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about playing SO slow that it's 5 minutes per shot. I'm simply talking about players who are methodical, and not just rhythm run-out players. These are players like Ralf Souquet and most of the Europeans, SVB, etc. which are in contrast to players like Mike Dechaine, Justin Bergman, and most of the cocky players. Coincidentally, it's the methodical players that are the most consistent and usually on top.

Again, I'm not talking about rotation games as much as other games. Go to youtube and watch SVB and most all top pros play eightball on a bar box just to see how methodically they run out racks, rather than just trying to run out in 30 seconds.
 
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