Not a Caddy Shack fan I see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnHaTlI1p7o
Possibly the best scene in the movie.
Dave <-- huge Caddy Shack fan who has watched the movie a hundredish times
Money in Pool - there should be none?
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Not a Caddy Shack fan I see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnHaTlI1p7o
Possibly the best scene in the movie.
Dave <-- huge Caddy Shack fan who has watched the movie a hundredish times
I agree. All (or most of) it's participants (not just players) tend to prey on each other and end up cannibalizing itself. That's the structure needed that you and Robin have been talking about. I agree about that too. But I don't think the organization needs to happen at the professional ranks yet. It needs to happen with amateurs and new players...then any professional aspect, should it be wanted would probably take care of itself, by true ambassadors of the game, not just opportunists.
Banks
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Exactly. The market would drive the payout, which would create "professional" players if it grew large enough. I've been trying to do something, but have been hamstrung by things out of my control.
Bingo! Now, if he'd donated all his winnings to charity, that statement may have been believable.
Fragmentation
The fragmentation within the Game is so bad that everything that is done is so on its own that no one wants to do anything that might even help them...unless you practically hand it to them already done and then they dont want to pay for it.
The Pool League System is the only thing bringing in New Players that has any real impact.
I would think if I were a business owner that I would want more people coming in at different levels of socio-economic classes than just Pool Leaguers.
How does someone even build a business that doesnt have a clear way to bring in New Customers?
The fragmentation within the Game is so bad that everything that is done is so on its own that no one wants to do anything that might even help them...unless you practically hand it to them already done and then they dont want to pay for it.
The Pool League System is the only thing bringing in New Players that has any real impact.
I would think if I were a business owner that I would want more people coming in at different levels of socio-economic classes than just Pool Leaguers.
How does someone even build a business that doesnt have a clear way to bring in New Customers?
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GoldenFlash
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That's the point I was about to make. Take a look at Lenny's videos of amateur matches from the recent Chinook winds tournament. Something I immediately noticed were all the cues on the sidelines. I'm part of the minority who thinks that the path forward is to bridge the pro and amateur game. Not that the pros need to be playing with the amateurs, but they should at least be aware of who a few of them are. In NYC we (are very lucky to) have Tony Robles and Zion Zvi, both of whom work with leagues, put on free clinics and through that get students for lessons. I'm sure that every region has a local player that can do what Tony and Zion are doing here. Another idea is for travelling pros to put on a clinic while they're in town. Imagine Scott Frost putting on a 1-pocket clinic or John Schmidt doing 14.1 and charging something like 5 bucks a head, advertised to the league and tournament players well ahead of time. Also, at the expo and other events, there's no shortage of people trying to sell stuff to the amateur players.
Solving the Disconnect
Keith,
I would have to agree with what you said. There is plenty of money out there for Pros from Amateurs if they are willing to teach them.
I am very amazed at some of the audacity of some the people in this game. Ive sent people books...for FREE.... who have my email address and wont take the time to even say Thank you.
The pitiful part of the picture is that all of this is curable but there is no coalition formed to fix some of it even if it results in pay days for everyone!
Seems like there is some discord and hating going on and it makes one wonder why even try?
Keith,
I would have to agree with what you said. There is plenty of money out there for Pros from Amateurs if they are willing to teach them.
I am very amazed at some of the audacity of some the people in this game. Ive sent people books...for FREE.... who have my email address and wont take the time to even say Thank you.
The pitiful part of the picture is that all of this is curable but there is no coalition formed to fix some of it even if it results in pay days for everyone!
Seems like there is some discord and hating going on and it makes one wonder why even try?
I know I'm gonna catch some heat for this, but oh well. I think the old mentality has to go. Completely. I'm not talking about guys matching up, but the gambling mentality definitely shouldn't be as prevalent in the game as it is. That's one of the things holding it back. There are several things you can point to in this game on the large scale and say "that needs to go". It's been brought up in a few conversations that this game is stuck in the 1960's, and I agree. This forum is actually a pretty good example of that. I personally am all for letting the old ways completely die out so we can build something new on top of it. There are enough people who love pool, there will never be a shortage of people with good intentions trying to push the game forward. But at the same time you'll also have the same amount of old-fashioned people trying to keep things the way they are/were.
Agreed
Sad but true. The truly sad part is we live in a society where money talks and people walk,
Pool will likely never completely die out although it is already moving to the home game room now due to costs of table time.
When Pool Rooms are gone the Pool League Systems will go with them.
Its not exactly inconceivable that couldn't happen.
To me the answer is .....affordable advertising to an market the clearly exists....
How many people are now age 45-60ish that remember the days of the Recreation Centers where pool and pin ball and foosball were played every day and with impunity on the weekends? A whole lot off them. Those people are retiring and are looking once again for something to do. All they need is a reminder and a place to go.
Sad but true. The truly sad part is we live in a society where money talks and people walk,
Pool will likely never completely die out although it is already moving to the home game room now due to costs of table time.
When Pool Rooms are gone the Pool League Systems will go with them.
Its not exactly inconceivable that couldn't happen.
To me the answer is .....affordable advertising to an market the clearly exists....
How many people are now age 45-60ish that remember the days of the Recreation Centers where pool and pin ball and foosball were played every day and with impunity on the weekends? A whole lot off them. Those people are retiring and are looking once again for something to do. All they need is a reminder and a place to go.
I don't know that much about him except for how great he is with a cue. However, after seeing some comments from him during matches he has played, this sounds more like a sarcastic rant in response to decreasing money in the game or a low payout. I once saw him threaten not to finish a 147 run because their was no payout for a 147 at the tournament he was in. He made a few unhappy comments about the fact that payouts weren't supposed to go down, but get progressively better. This sounds like something like that, unless I am missing some pertinent content.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muaCfgCJs2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muaCfgCJs2U
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That's kinda the way I took it...
I suppose someone somewhere knows Ronnie, perhaps they could ask him to clarify his statements. Was this quote part of a larger conversation? Context could be telling. No questioning his talent, but like any sport, talent doesn't require communication skills or coherent thought for that matter.
I suppose someone somewhere knows Ronnie, perhaps they could ask him to clarify his statements. Was this quote part of a larger conversation? Context could be telling. No questioning his talent, but like any sport, talent doesn't require communication skills or coherent thought for that matter.
He was being fallacious.....this is the reality of pool
He was being fallacious.....this is the reality of pool in the United States. What a pity.
It certainly wasn't like this in the 90s, pool has "de-evolved" back to a reptilian form. LoL
He was being fallacious.....this is the reality of pool in the United States. What a pity.
It certainly wasn't like this in the 90s, pool has "de-evolved" back to a reptilian form. LoL
He was being fallacious.....this is the reality of pool in the United States. What a pity.
It certainly wasn't like this in the 90s, pool has "de-evolved" back to a reptilian form. LoL
:lol: He wasn't speaking of pool in the USA. Was speaking of snooker everywhere BUT the USA. I thought you might know who Ronnie O'sullivan is ... I guess not :shrug:
Dave
He was being fallacious, isn't it obvious enough?
Ronnie and I have played several times. He was being fallacious, isn't it obvious enough?
Ronnie and I have played several times. He was being fallacious, isn't it obvious enough?
He was not refering to pool in the United States and it would seem your fallacious comment did. Ronnie doesn't care about your scene, he was refering to snooker where there is some money and fame today. You confused issues to get your fallacious opinion ... not that I am surprised.
Over and out.
Dave
Ronnie O'Sullivan was not in Vegas talking about how snooker needs less money/fame
Ronnie O'Sullivan wasn't in Vegas at this time, he was talking about snooker in England - especially how they need less money and less exposure.
It was the early 90s, and a few pro players were in Las Vegas playing at the Mirage , a tournament called 'Challenge of Champions' - we had a day off and Bobby Baldwin (Pro Poker player and then President of the Mirage Casino) invited 4 of us to play Steve Wynn's private golf course called 'Shadow Creek'. *
This virtual "Shangri-La" is a 60 million dollar golf course with trees, grass and sand from different countries on every hole. Steve W. only allowed (at the time) 4-6 groups to play on any given day. It was free to play and you were not allowed to tip Steve's employees (he paid them handsomely, and it would have been an insult to tip them).
After the round we were sitting in the clubhouse and in walks Joe Pesci.
I didn't know what to say, however, Allen didn't hesitate "hey Joe, how's the golf game these days?"
Joe looked quickly at Allen and lit up, smiling ear to ear, "Allen Hopkins, it's been a long time, did you get lost, there's no pool tables around here!" both smiled in acknowledgment and Joe came right over and sat down with us.
Allen introduced us and we sat and talked for about 45 minutes, what a serene moment. Joe seemed like just a normal, humerus fella - who would have guessed he is a Hollywood star? I was a bit uncomfortable at first, however, they both made a point of including me in the conversation, which immediately "took the edge off" the scenario.
Allen and Joe traded stories about the pool room in New Jersey they both frequented a few years earlier. They knew many of the same pool players and Joe sounded like he'd spent his share of hours watching the "action" games.
We all traded "good by's" - Allen and I headed out to the waiting Limo, my mind still trying to process what had just happened. It was like I had been transported into a movie for an hour and was now attempting to get back to "reality".
On the way to the front, in the lounge, we saw one of the most visually stunning women I had ever seen.....was she waiting on someone? (I was pretty sure it wasn't me) wink emoticon
That's right, she was accompanying Joe Pesci (it was that moment I realized Joe was no "normal" guy) - Joe and the lovely lady left out of the side entrance to their waiting car and were gone in an instant. I looked at Allen and he just smiled, with a sparkle in his eye "Joe's a trip isn't he?" ......I just nodded my head, mesmerized by the moment.
Later that evening we found out they were both in Las Vegas working on a movie called 'CASINO'. The Vegas opinion at the Mirage was the movie should do "pretty well" at the Box Office.....and so it did. 'The Game is our Teacher'
Ronnie O'Sullivan wasn't in Vegas at this time, he was talking about snooker in England - especially how they need less money and less exposure.
It was the early 90s, and a few pro players were in Las Vegas playing at the Mirage , a tournament called 'Challenge of Champions' - we had a day off and Bobby Baldwin (Pro Poker player and then President of the Mirage Casino) invited 4 of us to play Steve Wynn's private golf course called 'Shadow Creek'. *
This virtual "Shangri-La" is a 60 million dollar golf course with trees, grass and sand from different countries on every hole. Steve W. only allowed (at the time) 4-6 groups to play on any given day. It was free to play and you were not allowed to tip Steve's employees (he paid them handsomely, and it would have been an insult to tip them).
After the round we were sitting in the clubhouse and in walks Joe Pesci.
I didn't know what to say, however, Allen didn't hesitate "hey Joe, how's the golf game these days?"
Joe looked quickly at Allen and lit up, smiling ear to ear, "Allen Hopkins, it's been a long time, did you get lost, there's no pool tables around here!" both smiled in acknowledgment and Joe came right over and sat down with us.
Allen introduced us and we sat and talked for about 45 minutes, what a serene moment. Joe seemed like just a normal, humerus fella - who would have guessed he is a Hollywood star? I was a bit uncomfortable at first, however, they both made a point of including me in the conversation, which immediately "took the edge off" the scenario.
Allen and Joe traded stories about the pool room in New Jersey they both frequented a few years earlier. They knew many of the same pool players and Joe sounded like he'd spent his share of hours watching the "action" games.
We all traded "good by's" - Allen and I headed out to the waiting Limo, my mind still trying to process what had just happened. It was like I had been transported into a movie for an hour and was now attempting to get back to "reality".
On the way to the front, in the lounge, we saw one of the most visually stunning women I had ever seen.....was she waiting on someone? (I was pretty sure it wasn't me) wink emoticon
That's right, she was accompanying Joe Pesci (it was that moment I realized Joe was no "normal" guy) - Joe and the lovely lady left out of the side entrance to their waiting car and were gone in an instant. I looked at Allen and he just smiled, with a sparkle in his eye "Joe's a trip isn't he?" ......I just nodded my head, mesmerized by the moment.
Later that evening we found out they were both in Las Vegas working on a movie called 'CASINO'. The Vegas opinion at the Mirage was the movie should do "pretty well" at the Box Office.....and so it did. 'The Game is our Teacher'
He was being fallacious.....this is the reality of pool in the United States. What a pity.
It certainly wasn't like this in the 90s, pool has "de-evolved" back to a reptilian form. LoL
You are being fallacious.
Ronnie (I hope) was being facetious.
it takes the edge off the comments in an eloquent way.
Then he was simply being sarcastic*. I'm trying to be accurate, so it's one of the two, they are like "kissing cousins". Saying he was being facetious is giving him the respect that I felt he deserves.....and it takes the edge off the comments in an eloquent way.
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Sometimes people hide the sarcasm of their words behind facetiousness. A facetious remark is intended to be amusing and is therefore not to be taken seriously. It is a statement that is not meant to hurt or harm anyone.
It comes from the Latin word “facetus” which means “witty” and from the French word “facetie” which means “jest.” If someone makes a facetious remark, it must be taken lightly as opposed to a sarcastic remark which can be harsh and cruel.
Calling a person with whom you are having trouble getting along with as your friend is sarcasm. When you say that you love the weather even if you are caught in a thunderstorm without an umbrella or a jacket, is a facetious remark.
Summary:
1.“Sarcastic” or “sarcasm” comes from the Greek word “sarkamos” which means “to sneer” while “facetious” comes from the Latin word “facetus” which means “witty.”
2.Sarcastic remarks use mockery and irony while facetious remarks use humor and wit.
3.Sarcastic remarks are meant to hurt while facetious remarks are meant to be amusing.
4.A facetious remark can be taken lightly and is not serious while a sarcastic remark can be sharp and bitter.
5.A sarcastic remark uses the direct opposite of the truth to taunt the person whom it is aimed at while a factious remark uses playfulness and jest to convey a message.
Read more: Difference Between Sarcastic and Facetious | Difference Between | Sarcastic vs Facetious http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-sarcastic-and-facetious/#ixzz3VXz5slk0
Then he was simply being sarcastic*. I'm trying to be accurate, so it's one of the two, they are like "kissing cousins". Saying he was being facetious is giving him the respect that I felt he deserves.....and it takes the edge off the comments in an eloquent way.
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Sometimes people hide the sarcasm of their words behind facetiousness. A facetious remark is intended to be amusing and is therefore not to be taken seriously. It is a statement that is not meant to hurt or harm anyone.
It comes from the Latin word “facetus” which means “witty” and from the French word “facetie” which means “jest.” If someone makes a facetious remark, it must be taken lightly as opposed to a sarcastic remark which can be harsh and cruel.
Calling a person with whom you are having trouble getting along with as your friend is sarcasm. When you say that you love the weather even if you are caught in a thunderstorm without an umbrella or a jacket, is a facetious remark.
Summary:
1.“Sarcastic” or “sarcasm” comes from the Greek word “sarkamos” which means “to sneer” while “facetious” comes from the Latin word “facetus” which means “witty.”
2.Sarcastic remarks use mockery and irony while facetious remarks use humor and wit.
3.Sarcastic remarks are meant to hurt while facetious remarks are meant to be amusing.
4.A facetious remark can be taken lightly and is not serious while a sarcastic remark can be sharp and bitter.
5.A sarcastic remark uses the direct opposite of the truth to taunt the person whom it is aimed at while a factious remark uses playfulness and jest to convey a message.
Read more: Difference Between Sarcastic and Facetious | Difference Between | Sarcastic vs Facetious http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-sarcastic-and-facetious/#ixzz3VXz5slk0