"Tribute" cues? Seriously?
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Keep an eye on the gallery.... :grin-devilish:
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JV
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JV
Thanks for the words on the Skip...
The propeller is a funny inlay. I know Gus was the first to bring the ivory version into cues, however the inlay has been a luthier staple since the first luthier catalogs. I found a Gibson hollow body 1950's and low and behold it has some props...
JV
The propeller is a funny inlay. I know Gus was the first to bring the ivory version into cues, however the inlay has been a luthier staple since the first luthier catalogs. I found a Gibson hollow body 1950's and low and behold it has some props...
JV
Correct. And I'll add to this. Jerry is using modern techniques, such as threading the buttcap, modern epoxies, modern clearcoat finish rather than laquer, just to name a few. I don't think anybody is truly doing it the way it was in the 60s and 70s anymore.
First of all, you completely skirted my main point, which is: when was the last time an original -R- design was posted to this forum.
Secondly, get the F out of here with the B.S. In bold. This guy gets nothing but recognition and praise around here, not at all underserved, mind you, but don't try to act like he doesn't receive any. He has several cues in threads on the first two pages of the gallery forum, with two started by you,macho practically fellates him with words.
I've asked this before, but what do the cue maker associations decide on this subject. I mean, if a group of cue makers, American and Internationally, don't opine on the subject, then maybe best to leave it alone ? They're the ones that should have a standard or rule on the subject, no ?
Absolutely... Southwest are a blatant copy of Kershenbrocks, whose plain Birdseye
cues were a blatant copy of a Martin. And, he stole Bert Schrager's 6 point design.
Dale
Yes Barry did help his dad in the shop....
Bert had the first 6-pointer ( staggered ) ?
So it seems you are not aware DPK helped Southwest get started and did inlay work for them. Therefore, SW not only had DPK's permission, he actually helped form the company. That is a completely different scenario than someone copying another's work.
I am not quite willing to bet my life on it, but that is what he told me circa 1978-ish.
He was trying to steer me away from ordering a 4 point. Come to think of it,
what I really wanted was a Bushca "Tribute" cue at the time
Dale
Actually, I am quite aware that Jerry was David's account who took over the cue
biz when David got sent away to 'summer camp' as I am sure you are too.
Next time I post an inside joke, perhaps I'll include a waving flag symbol
Dale
Good point mr squared.
As it turns out, I was at that event. It was the first ever cuemakers asoc event in
Houston. Richard later joked about his win that he had the "home court advantage".
For those who may care.The prize winning cue had a forearm that looked like about
half a dozen points within points - a series of single mitered whitish veneers spaced
roughly equally nearly up to the joint.
As a side note, the judges, 3 or 4 I believe, had nothing to do with cues, or even pool.
IIRC there was a designer of some sort, a journalist(perhaps) and others.
As if the cue show weren't bad enough - Viking later offered the same design in their
line of not-exactly-high-quality cues.
Dale(good old days)
Well I guess according to what everyone is saying here...any cue with spliced points and veneers is a ripoff of the Brunswick design! Shame on you Joel, Barry, Ernie...and the rest of you ripoff artists! Worst yet are the cue makers like George, Gene, Hermann, and Frank who would actually use another makers cue like the Titlist to make a cue and call it their own. Despicable!
Tribute - a gift, testimonial, compliment, or the like, given as due or in acknowledgment of gratitude or esteem. No where in the definition of tribute does it mean to steal another's work or design!
Tribute - a gift, testimonial, compliment, or the like, given as due or in acknowledgment of gratitude or esteem. No where in the definition of tribute does it mean to steal another's work or design!
JW copy ?
I had G.S. make me a box cue from JW brochure. Even sent him the
brochure. I asked him to make the bottom ivory with ebony inlays
instead of ebony with ivory inlays. When we talked about it the first
time he knew what cue I was talking about. When we talked again
he wanted to know the color of the veneers around the blocks. that's
when I sent him the brochure. I believe Dean (Deanoc) had it for a
while. I paid $600 for it then. I think it is worth a little more now.
This was definitely was not an industry standard. Does that make Gus
a rip off artist.
jack
I had G.S. make me a box cue from JW brochure. Even sent him the
brochure. I asked him to make the bottom ivory with ebony inlays
instead of ebony with ivory inlays. When we talked about it the first
time he knew what cue I was talking about. When we talked again
he wanted to know the color of the veneers around the blocks. that's
when I sent him the brochure. I believe Dean (Deanoc) had it for a
while. I paid $600 for it then. I think it is worth a little more now.
This was definitely was not an industry standard. Does that make Gus
a rip off artist.
jack
Some years ago, when the BCA show was relevent, an Asian manufacturer had a full display of cues. Someone from Schon scooped up an arm full of selected cues, handed the booth operator a business card and told him to talk to Schon's lawyer if he had any problems with him taking them. I would say Clark feels he has a say about a knockoff of his designs.
I don't see how a product can have copyright protection without a copyright notice - something like a circle with a "c" in the middle and a date. Most manufactured items have have some sort of warning protection notice. I've seen many paintings with a "bug" for example.
Big Al
I don't see how a product can have copyright protection without a copyright notice - something like a circle with a "c" in the middle and a date. Most manufactured items have have some sort of warning protection notice. I've seen many paintings with a "bug" for example.
Big Al
The person "scooping" up cues is committing a felony, if he did not pay for them! If indeed there was copyright infringement, that IS a civil matter and would not prevent the "scooper" from being arrested and thrown in jail.