Darren Forfeits Beloit

Why I feel really bad for BJ.

BJ never thought for a second that he was betting on whether Darren would get out of bed. this is a horrendous way to lose your money.

Why I feel really bad for Darren:

He gets a bad rap because there are people who apparently think that gamblers who buy players in calcuttas are in some way staking the players, and that just isn't so.

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brian kc

Perfectly said. I really do feel bad for both of them.
 
He made a mistake and the AZ firing squad of trolls are letting him have it... but it will all be forgotten when some whatever tournament happens next month doesn't pay the players or someone gets caught snorting adderall.

Perhaps, or maybe it'll just become another somewhat amusing anecdote brought up from time to time to explain why Pool's 10th highest American money winner grossed just over $20k in 2014.

It'll probably just take it's rightful place in lore somewhere between Earl quitting his match with Corey in 1998, or Bob Mackey running off with the tour money, or the US open not paying players, Charlie Williams doing this or that, or Kevin Trudeau, or Buddy Hall, or Justin Hall, or Keith McReady, or Richie Rich, .....
 
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Do I think that Darren is obligated to pay this many back his money? No - nothing was communicated to the players that they would be forced to pay a calcutta bid if they missed their match. What if he didn't over sleep but his wife was in a bad car accident and he felt compelled to leave.

Do I think that tournaments survive in part cause of the audience that show up to partake in calcuttas? Yes. 100% Yes. If this happened at every tournament, it would undoubtedly have an effect. A one time occurrence, probably not.

I don't disagree but it's two different things. The players can't be concerned with what's going on other than on the table. And they certainly can be responsible for what other people are doing.
 
Darren, I'm with you pal !..But look how popular you must be !..Who else could generate over 300 posts, just by 'oversleeping' and missing your tee time !..I thought it might end, when you apologized.. But no, some people beat it to death..! Yes, I'm talking about you LOU !..You should be ashamed of yourself, for making such an issue of it, and insulting Darren's professionalism !..Isn't it about time to end this fiasco ?..:sorry:

PS..I hope I never oversleep, and miss 'happy hour' at my bar !...Now there is an unforgivable sin, Lou ! :p

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Sleeping past his tee time was not my point.

Making a gesture of amends -- beyond just saying I'm sorry -- was.

Lou Figueroa
 
Perhaps, or maybe it'll just become another somewhat amusing anecdote brought up from time to time to explain why Pool's 10th highest American money winner grossed just over $20k in 2014.

It'll probably just take it's rightful place in lore somewhere between Earl quitting his match with Corey in 1998, or Bob Mackey running off with the tour money, or the US open not paying players, Charlie Williams doing this or that, or Kevin Trudeau, or Buddy Hall....

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Perhaps, or maybe it'll just become another somewhat amusing anecdote brought up from time to time to explain why Pool's 10th highest American money winner grossed just over $20k in 2014.

It'll probably just take it's rightful place in lore somewhere between Earl quitting his match with Corey in 1998, or Bob Mackey running off with the tour money, or the US open not paying players, Charlie Williams doing this or that, or Kevin Trudeau, or Buddy Hall....

WOW, give it a rest already. Yes, pool is in decline because an Englishman over slept in America for a bar box tourney in Hickwater USA, playing a game most folks in the country don't give a crap about, nor even knew there was a tournament.

Yes, had he only woke up in time, it might have just been the shot in the arm pool needed :rolleyes:
 
WOW, give it a rest already. Yes, pool is in decline because an Englishman over slept in America for a bar box tourney in Hickwater USA, playing a game most folks in the country don't give a crap about, nor even knew there was a tournament.

Yes, had he only woke up in time, it might have just been the shot in the arm pool needed :rolleyes:

I'm sorry...would you rather us put a stop to this thread and discuss chalk efficacy instead?
 
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He made a mistake and the AZ firing squad of trolls are letting him have it... but it will all be forgotten when some whatever tournament happens next month doesn't pay the players or someone gets caught snorting adderall.


I think you're wrong. These things have a way of taking on a life of their own and resurrecting themselves at the most inconvenient times.

Like if he should ever sleep a tournament match again; or the next time he chooses to kvetch about "professionalism" in pool; or maybe the MC later this year. Personally I'd think it'd be a hoot if 200 guys showed up at the Tropicana MC arena, ala Flavor Flav :-)

Lou Figueroa
 

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Sleeping past his tee time was not my point.

Making a gesture of amends -- beyond just saying I'm sorry -- was.

Lou Figueroa

I find your position a bit bizarre. Where would you draw the line when it comes to a player owing someone who bets on them?

What if they got in a traffic accident and were unable to play?
What if they got sick?
What if they had a family emergency to attend to?
What if they just flat out didn't bring their A game that day and played like a dog?

In any of the above scenarios would you expect there to be some sort of financial compensation paid to the gamblers by the player?

I certainly wouldn't.

Offering anything more than an apology to the gamblers that are betting on them would be a horrible precedent for a professional player to set. It would border on nuts. Professional players have enough to worry about as it is; now we are going to add the possibility of them having to pay off those that bet on them. No way – that’s crazy!


P.S. Darren has handled this situation and this thread very admirably. I'm an even bigger fan of his now than I was before.
 
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Why don't you just ask Lou, he seems to know it all.

I should probably apologize to the entire forum for asking top pro a question related to how the game is played on a pool table.

Now back to your regularly scheduled drama.
 
Boy, there's a whole lotta stupid in that post. Way too much for me to dissect, but I do like this steaming turd.

"I am thinking the OP is not showing too much responsibility for his own part of this non-win. Did he not see any reason to try to make sure he could at least contact Appleton to help make sure he showed up on time for each match?"

...Yes, you're right...it's obviously my fault for not waking Darren up. I owe him an apology....sorry, pal.

No, you owe yourself an apology for being not looking after your own interests. But don't wise up on my account, go your own way as I am sure you will.

Or this bit of wisdom...

"...is a statistical sure loss for any backer in the short run."

...I'll just let you stew on that for awhile.

No need for me to stew... the stats are easy to figure even using plain arithmetic adding and subtracting. In the short term, paying off after every set, a backer on the 50% win-100% loss payout plan who has 7 barrels $1000 each has to win 5 of 7 sets just to make only $500 profit for the $7k he put at risk - who likes those odds? Risk $7k to win $500? The player would love it, if he were paid by the set, since he pockets $2500 for winning the 5 of 7 sets. And at 4 wins 2 losses, the backer wins zero, the player two grand. Backers will avoid by-the-set payoffs to their player, if they have any experience, or any sense.

Percentages are better (but not a lot) when the player/backer share all up, and each gets half any winnings after expenses. The backer still puts all his money at risk for a potential loss of all of it, and no risk to the player, which is why backer dumping became such a risk, given the not-so-honest history of pool gambling.

The backer takes the risk to win only what the opponent is willing to lose, hoping it will be a lot more than his own bankroll. It is that chance of easily rolling over some semi-amateur or better yet some flush go-off artist that keeps backers returning... in other words, a lot closer to being lock artists than true gamblers.

And who the fu$k is Woodson? Since you repeated this name four times, I'm assuming this isn't a mere typo, but you are actually hearing someone say "Woodson".
Are you really asking who I meant when I mis-typed Woodson for Woodward several times? I doubt it - this looks like another weak AZB personal attack. Yes, I got a name wrong in my fingers and never noticed it. Some other poster said woodson in an earlier thread. You can go back and call them on it also, but I doubt you will, seeing as how this comment was meant as a personal attack, and not meant as your truly misunderstanding who was being talked about.


Just one final question....were you born this way? or is this the result of a lot of glue huffing in your early years? Btw, I'm being very sincere.
Ho hum, another guy who with multiple weak attempts at personal attacks, who knows why... AZB at its best.

Betting on anyone except SVB to come in third or better in a field of 16 champions and potential champions was a low-percentage bet, assuming the brackets formed up randomly. I don't know how anyone calculated their Calcutta bet, but if they did not include any percentage calculations, if they went with 'just a feeling' or something so feelie-goodie as 'Appleton has always been a pro', that is a recipe for losing their bet. But nobody need believe me, I'm just an ordinary guy with a useless IQ number so embarrassingly high that I decided to huff glue all my life, brain-burning cells until I got it down to only a few score points above normal. :wink:

I don't mean any personal attacks, but some of the subjects being denigrating are well established facts, and if anyone does not want to wise up that's none of my business. I just get a kick out of presenting facts.
 
I'm sorry...would you rather us put a to stop this thread and discuss chalk efficacy instead?

It sucks you lost the money. Not sure what else to tell ya. You had a good horse but even tight rope walkers lose their balance from time to time.
 
Maybe Darren should offer this man the opportunity to by his player half in the next tournament Darren is in that has a calcutta. He is obviously a top player and normally a sound investment. And it doesn't seem that Darren buys his own half. Getting Darren's half without having to bid on him would mean getting him for a discount.


Not a bad idea. Like I said: a gesture of amends would be pretty classy.

Lou Figueroa
 
I think you're wrong. These things have a way of taking on a life of their own and resurrecting themselves at the most inconvenient times.

Like if he should ever sleep a tournament match again; or the next time he chooses to kvetch about "professionalism" in pool; or maybe the MC later this year. Personally I'd think it'd be a hoot if 200 guys showed up at the Tropicana MC arena, ala Flavor Flav :-)

Lou Figueroa

Yes, this will offer some interesting countering opportunities to those ever present chants of "UUURRRUUUPP"
 
WOW, give it a rest already. Yes, pool is in decline because an Englishman over slept in America for a bar box tourney in Hickwater USA, playing a game most folks in the country don't give a crap about, nor even knew there was a tournament and cost a guy $2450 who bought him in the calcutta.


Fixed it for you.

Lou Figueroa
 
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