That's only true if you want to be taught every shot. If you want to be able to figure some of them out on your own, you need to know why.
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John Schmidt's and Corey Deuel's comments on aiming systems
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Sorry, but you do not need to know why. You only need to know how.
With just the basic understanding of the of how ghost ball works, tangent line exit of the cue ball, & the the mirror angle in angle out for banks, one can rather easily figure the rest out for themselves with just a bit of focused time to learn.
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Rick
Very true, if all you want to do is pocket the ball. However, if you ever want to pocket that shot or a similar shot again, you better have some knowledge of what you did to pocket it so you can repeat it again and again. Also, this is wrong thinking by many amateurs. They only care that they make the ball. One needs to care how they made the ball. Did the shot go right down the line they intended it to, or was it off to one side a little?
And the one trying to sell 'pamphlets' for $15 each that is supposed to aid one in learning 'feel' more quickly mocks those that learned very young to play mostly by feel & have done so for more than 4.5 decades each.
IMO, if you really & truly want to help the game of pool by helping those new to the game & to bring in new players, you're going about it the wrong way.
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We dont need no education!!
I find it very surprising that an attitude towards towards not knowing how you do what you do, but just doing it, seems required to be in your boys club.
I do not mock your skill, or how you got it. I do not like the idea of withholding knowledge from new players. I do however recognize that people can learn entirely from feel with no contact point picked out, no hit point decided on etc. I just know that I spent an afternoon with one recently who could have stood to know a lot more about what he was doing. Had that been the case he would have been a lot better a long time ago. Teaching shot making to someone like that is difficult. Learning is a personal journey, you cant do that for them. They have to want it. Its not a one size all fits game. Hitting a million balls doesn't work for everyone not if they want to improve in a shorter timeframe.
I find it very surprising that an attitude towards towards not knowing how you do what you do, but just doing it, seems required to be in your boys club.
I do not mock your skill, or how you got it. I do not like the idea of withholding knowledge from new players. I do however recognize that people can learn entirely from feel with no contact point picked out, no hit point decided on etc. I just know that I spent an afternoon with one recently who could have stood to know a lot more about what he was doing. Had that been the case he would have been a lot better a long time ago. Teaching shot making to someone like that is difficult. Learning is a personal journey, you cant do that for them. They have to want it. Its not a one size all fits game. Hitting a million balls doesn't work for everyone not if they want to improve in a shorter timeframe.
No habla pendejo!
The reason I ignore the CTEnistas is because they have nothing to say. They comment on persons and not on the topic! Looks like you have become one of them. So much for being taken seriously!
LOL
IMHO, I think most of these people who talk about aiming do NOT have a clue!
WHY did the ball go into the pocket? In 60+ years of playing this game I have NEVER asked that question. I simply prefer to watch it go in! LMAO
I do take you seriously actually. I played with a guy yesterday, who is a good player in that he comes and goes and doesn't know anything technical about what he does. He told me he could get a lot of things but pool just wasn't one of them. As we played and talked, I was teaching him what I know about One Pocket I was amazed at what he didn't know, he just plays from his heart so I had to try and connect with that. So I recognize from where you are coming from.
As I told this guy about things like the 30 degree rule, the tangent line etc he seemed amazed and he said "yeah I see you guys moving the ball all over the table and I never knew that you understood something that helped you know where the ball would go." Ive been playing totally from heart. I told him yeah it helps to know where the ball is going to go and I showed him the Peace Sign method for plotting the cue ball path off of the object ball and he understood a little better where the cue ball was going. There are areas of his game besides aiming, that he could have used some knowledge of the game. Since I used to be there, I understood from where he was coming from and I know what he doesn't. I admire the heart he plays from but I note the mistakes he makes because of things he doesn't know.
Do you play golf Lou? If Rory McIlroy or any other top pro offered to give you advice in a small audience, would you appreciate the offer regardless of what he had to say? Who else but golfers and pool players go to professional meets simply to see the pros play in hopes of finding something they can apply to THEIR game?
Lou does play golf. Here he is caught on film:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dySPePGUJUk
He wouldn't take advice from Rory because it would get his PSR all out of whack.
You assume he is making mistakes because of a lack of knowledge! I bet he is probably making mistakes because he has yet to learn how to deliver a consistent stroke. Or, he is making mistakes because he has yet made the commitment (time spent) to find these things out for himself! Nobody had to tell me about the 30-degree rule or how it changes with ball speed, draw, and follow! In fact, I never brought a compass to the pool hall to see if I was doing it right. Go back and read the article about aiming: http://www.sfbilliards.com/Misc/PnB_aiming.pdf. Over 30 pros interviewed and not one talks about "knowledge" helping them pocket balls. In fact , not one of them explained WHY they pocketed balls, most only "tried" to explain HOW; and some...could do neither!.
"There is no set way for me. I just look at the pocket and look at the ball and assume I then know where to hit it"
"Aiming comes naturally for me, where I've always just known where to hit."
"I've tried a lot of systems but mostly you have to play from feel."
"There's no real way for me to explain it except to hit it with the right impact."
"I would say that aim is basically trial and error and instinct, using your judgment."
"I wish I knew! I'd lean towards looking at the object ball last, but I have never figured that out."
These are the top-ranked pros talking about aiming! Are you a ranked pro Robin? What makes YOU think you know something that they don't? CJ is the only ranked pro in this forum and you seem incapable of learning anything from him. Therefore I do find it difficult to take you seriously...especially when you can no longer be respectful to others when expressing your opinions.
You know the greatest ball striker EVER in golf was Moe Norman. He was autistic and did not know squat about swinging a golf club. He only knew what he had learned from hitting over 7 million balls in his lifetime! When Tiger Woods saw Moe hit, he said..."there's a man who owns his own swing. I hope I can own my own swing too."
I used to play golf. But I tend to be a bit compulsive about things and would spend hours out on the driving range. Finally my first wife gave me an ultimatum: you can play pool or you can play golf but not both. So here I am.
But to try and answer your question, I'd listen to Rory but there would be the issue of whether or not Rory can convey what he does in a manner that would help someone at my level. Maybe he has no communication skills; maybe he doesn't know how he does what he does; maybe he has misconceptions about the physics of the game; maybe he's just a a massive tool solely interested in self-promotion and selling me a DVD.
If any of that turned out to be true then after our first tête-à-tête I'd blow him off and I wouldn't care how many majors he's won.
Lou Figueroa
If all anyone need was as you say, then please explain why you after all these years, and many, many others never reached pro status.
Always amazes me when people take pride in their ignorance and actually champion it.
Also, if one does not need knowledge, why are you so desperately seeking out knowledge from any old pro? Goes against what you are preaching.
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Exactly
Exactly Neil,
I see the same thing.
As your comments to me randy. No Im not a professional player and don't care to be. Im a Dad putting a kid through college, who has played a lot of pool, with a lot of people who has some things to share with people if they are seeking knowledge ....which obviously you are not....
You know you take this whole poolmanlove thing with CJ to some interesting levels. I understand how you and others look up to CJ, don't think that others here don't look up to people like that because we do but.....when people say indescript things and expect the crowd....to awe and oooh. They might just be opening themselves up for criticism because it comes out sounding like bs to some people. Its not we are disrespectful of him, its just come on man....really? You have to sort out the personality as well as the clouded information and sometimes that's a bit much for anyone. Just because he is a pro player doesn't make him deity.
The way you come at me I would say you don't have ears to hear much of anything that fits outside of your comfort zone of what you already know unless it comes from your personal guru....CJ.
I do wish that more people including pros posted on here and I wish more people from here would just get together and play one another. I try to get a game with anyone that I know is coming to NC. To me the game we have amongst ourselves is worth more than words.
Exactly Neil,
I see the same thing.
As your comments to me randy. No Im not a professional player and don't care to be. Im a Dad putting a kid through college, who has played a lot of pool, with a lot of people who has some things to share with people if they are seeking knowledge ....which obviously you are not....
You know you take this whole poolmanlove thing with CJ to some interesting levels. I understand how you and others look up to CJ, don't think that others here don't look up to people like that because we do but.....when people say indescript things and expect the crowd....to awe and oooh. They might just be opening themselves up for criticism because it comes out sounding like bs to some people. Its not we are disrespectful of him, its just come on man....really? You have to sort out the personality as well as the clouded information and sometimes that's a bit much for anyone. Just because he is a pro player doesn't make him deity.
The way you come at me I would say you don't have ears to hear much of anything that fits outside of your comfort zone of what you already know unless it comes from your personal guru....CJ.
I do wish that more people including pros posted on here and I wish more people from here would just get together and play one another. I try to get a game with anyone that I know is coming to NC. To me the game we have amongst ourselves is worth more than words.
Funny you leave out the ones talking about centers and edges.