And you can do it at contact. Not sure of its usefulness though
WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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And you can do it at contact. Not sure of its usefulness though
I was out playing pool yesterday & did not see your post until right before I quickly responded to it.
Another statement by you that implies an untruth.
I never said that I would bite my tongue where you are concerned. I inferred how difficult it is to do so given all of the distortions & mischarcterizations of the truth that you spew out just like another individual.
Another statement by you that implies an untruth.
What ever happened to you saying that you were 'finished' with me & giving me your 'grace' to post whatever I want?
Wouldn't you rather spend your time deleting some more of your posts so as to punish others rather than spend it following me & CJ around.
I guess it does not really matter as both are childish acts & I guess both make you 'happy'.
As is so often done here, one aspect is being isolated & taken away from other associated movements & even out of it's original context in attempts to discredit what an individual has said.
When something is put into isolation, the big picture is sometimes lost.
Also, everyone does not utilize a full pendulum stroke. Everyone does not swing the cue into the ball.
One can preset the wrist in either the radial or ulnar positions & leave them as such during the stroke or one can transfer from one to the other before, during, or after contact.
CJ does maintains & transfers the wrist position & I do not recall him ever saying that he uses a full & complete hammer motion for every shot. In fact, if I recall correctly, I think he has said that he sets the wrist at different amounts for different implementation for different shots.
When the hammer motion is employed the forearm does not remain still. It moves forward with a rather quick but short term acceleration. This can be done with no other activation of 'swinging' or pulling or pushing of the hand & forearm or it can be done in conjunction with such. I would suggest that everyone interested just quickly 'snap' the wrist from the radial position to the ulnar position & watch where the thumb side of the forearm at the wrist & also the V of the thumb & index finger.
The hammer motion for the purpose of hitting the ball & not an after contact finish mechanism, is more conducive for ease & benefit works better IMO with a pushed delivery into the ball but can also be accomplished with a pull into the ball with a modified set up for a pendulum stroke.
The bottom line is that any individual can give what CJ says a try & if one finds benefit with it for them then one can keep it as a tool in their tool box or they can shelve it for possible future use or they can throw it in the trash.
CJ has said that what he is offering may only be a fit or accepted by 37% of us playing the game.
Best Wishes 2 All,
Rick
PS One's connection to the cue can also have an effect on how & how well a hammer delivery can work. There is much quick twitch power in the fingers of the hand & the cue & the hammer are held in the hand with the fingers.
PPS The shoulder can be another tool even if CJ has not yet found the 'acceptable' words to describe how he implements it in conjunctions with other aspects. Chains have links & puzzles have pieces.
PPPS My civics teacher taught me to always consider that source of what is being said & who is saying it & for what motives might they be saying it. It was a good lesson to learn.
Addendum: I don't use a full pendulum stroke & have been using the smaller mini version of the 'hammer' stroke for many many years but just never ackowledged it or referred to it as a hammer stroke until CJ brought that out. I also never did preset the wrist & use it in a more full stroke until CJ brought that out & I found that very interesting. That is another tool that CJ put into my tool box.
When something is put into isolation, the big picture is sometimes lost.
Also, everyone does not utilize a full pendulum stroke. Everyone does not swing the cue into the ball.
One can preset the wrist in either the radial or ulnar positions & leave them as such during the stroke or one can transfer from one to the other before, during, or after contact.
CJ does maintains & transfers the wrist position & I do not recall him ever saying that he uses a full & complete hammer motion for every shot. In fact, if I recall correctly, I think he has said that he sets the wrist at different amounts for different implementation for different shots.
When the hammer motion is employed the forearm does not remain still. It moves forward with a rather quick but short term acceleration. This can be done with no other activation of 'swinging' or pulling or pushing of the hand & forearm or it can be done in conjunction with such. I would suggest that everyone interested just quickly 'snap' the wrist from the radial position to the ulnar position & watch where the thumb side of the forearm at the wrist & also the V of the thumb & index finger.
The hammer motion for the purpose of hitting the ball & not an after contact finish mechanism, is more conducive for ease & benefit works better IMO with a pushed delivery into the ball but can also be accomplished with a pull into the ball with a modified set up for a pendulum stroke.
The bottom line is that any individual can give what CJ says a try & if one finds benefit with it for them then one can keep it as a tool in their tool box or they can shelve it for possible future use or they can throw it in the trash.
CJ has said that what he is offering may only be a fit or accepted by 37% of us playing the game.
Best Wishes 2 All,
Rick
PS One's connection to the cue can also have an effect on how & how well a hammer delivery can work. There is much quick twitch power in the fingers of the hand & the cue & the hammer are held in the hand with the fingers.
PPS The shoulder can be another tool even if CJ has not yet found the 'acceptable' words to describe how he implements it in conjunctions with other aspects. Chains have links & puzzles have pieces.
PPPS My civics teacher taught me to always consider that source of what is being said & who is saying it & for what motives might they be saying it. It was a good lesson to learn.
Addendum: I don't use a full pendulum stroke & have been using the smaller mini version of the 'hammer' stroke for many many years but just never ackowledged it or referred to it as a hammer stroke until CJ brought that out. I also never did preset the wrist & use it in a more full stroke until CJ brought that out & I found that very interesting. That is another tool that CJ put into my tool box.
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I utilize that lesson very often, nearly every day & multiple times a day & I know that certain individuals can have more than one motive & some try to disguise their true motives.
So...again you have made another false statement to put your slant on matters.
Why don't you 'go off' & delete some more of your past posts.:thumbup:
How many hundreds did you delete or was it in the thousands? And why did you do it? To punish others? Is that what a reasonable rational individual would do?
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You have helped me reach this level and I thank you for that
This isn't correct ........
I suggest using what our hand is naturally doing to increase acceleration AT contact.
It works for me, and the results I've achieved are clear. I've won over 50 tournaments (4 in the last 6 days) so far this year, and my game is as effective as it's ever been.....mostly because my knowledge of techniques has advanced and is improving every day....in every way.
You have helped me reach this level and I thank you for that. Despite our differences of opinion you do make me practice more than usual so that I know exactly what's happening - as a result my teaching skills are allowing me to help many players with their games. This is the most satisfaction any player or instructor can possible enjoy.
Play Well....'The Game is our Teacher'
This isn't correct ........
I suggest using what our hand is naturally doing to increase acceleration AT contact.
It works for me, and the results I've achieved are clear. I've won over 50 tournaments (4 in the last 6 days) so far this year, and my game is as effective as it's ever been.....mostly because my knowledge of techniques has advanced and is improving every day....in every way.
You have helped me reach this level and I thank you for that. Despite our differences of opinion you do make me practice more than usual so that I know exactly what's happening - as a result my teaching skills are allowing me to help many players with their games. This is the most satisfaction any player or instructor can possible enjoy.
Play Well....'The Game is our Teacher'
This isn't correct ........
I suggest using what our hand is naturally doing to increase acceleration AT contact.
It works for me, and the results I've achieved are clear. I've won over 50 tournaments (4 in the last 6 days) so far this year, and my game is as effective as it's ever been.....mostly because my knowledge of techniques has advanced and is improving every day....in every way.
You have helped me reach this level and I thank you for that. Despite our differences of opinion you do make me practice more than usual so that I know exactly what's happening - as a result my teaching skills are allowing me to help many players with their games. This is the most satisfaction any player or instructor can possible enjoy.
Play Well....'The Game is our Teacher'
Thanks CJ.
I missed yet another incorrect statement made by Neil. I wonder how many others have slipped through the cracks & are out there uncontested that can do more harm than good for unknowing readers.
IF there are any, we can all rest assured that it would be far less than you have posted. :wink:
As to the statement I made, I stand by it. You want to just go by who said what, and automatically assume I was incorrect, and he is correct. Just makes you another sheep. Look at his reply. Do you really want to agree with his reply also? That he actually increases acceleration AT contact? During that .001 second of time?
In the past, he stated that he does it to achieve maximum acceleration at contact, meaning that he has to do it before contact. Now, he is changing that to during contact, which is physically impossible to do.
But, you go right ahead and eat up everything he says as gospel. And be sure to go off yet again on another rant of insults and paraphrasing what he said to try and make it sound like you even have a clue what you are even talking about. Any one that follows your posts sees all the inconsistencies in them and can easily tell what your speed is and that you don't have a clue. Just trying to parrot someone that you think does.
Just to try to stay on topic without delving into all of your character 'assassinations'.
Just because the contact time is short does not mean that something can not happen during contact.
You again distort.
Can one make a conscious decision to do something during contact & then execute that function during that contact time?
No. THAT would be 'impossible' as we now know it.
But... an action that is planned to happen during contact can happen during contact.
It can start before contact or right at contact & it can continue on past contact.
You have some rather serious issues with the english language that may or may not be your fault or... you just purposely twist & misuse it for your own motives.
So, I'm distorting things, but you agree with what I said, then disagree with what we both said. hmmmm......What ever floats your boat........
Neil, watch the video in my post #1979 and describe Jason's wrist action.
No... here is another distortion & mischaracterization by you.
Like I said, you have issues with the proper use of the english language or you misuse it intentionally for your own motives or...you know what is in your head & what you mean the message to be, but it does not come across that way because the reader is not in your head & can not read your mind & you do not take that into consideration.
I don't really know which of those is your real issue.
You rather often make vague statements that can be very misleading to those that do not 'know' better or do not know to what you are referring.
I think you do that intentionally.
Your initial statement about what is 'impossible' left an implication that what CJ was saying is 'impossible'.
I think that was your intention. Hence the clarification by me.
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I have watched it, I have played him many times also. My wrist is similar in position. It is nothing as what a certain few are claiming as a hammer stroke. Notice that his wrist hangs straight down at address, then he changes it to move it more forward. But, the way he does it, forces him to add things that shouldn't need to be added. (such as moving up on each shot)
Also, please don't watch Jason as an example to duplicate. What he does for him, works great. It won't work for very many others. Note that he starts getting up on almost every stroke before contact. He has to do that, and HE has it timed perfectly, because he has to get his body out of the way of the stroke.
In the past, I have explained in detail why my wrist is forward, and what it does. I did that in a post explaining to CJ what he was trying to get at, and wasn't able to. For my troubles, I caught a lot of flack once again for being negative and not agreeing with every word CJ said. So, I'm not going to post it again.
Rick, think about this for a minute...even if what you say is true, you are doing the same thing you accuse me of by pointing out in my posts what you feel is wrong. In other words, you are no better than me, so whatever you want to call me, applies to yourself also. Think about it. And please stop derailing this thread to try and get one over on me.
Kenny Brisbon employed the same wrist movements to win the U S Amatuers last year.
Jason may move his body up but it's not necessary and u could do a lot worse than duplicating Jason's way of playing.
This wrist movement is how "pinning" has been described to me.
There is nothing derogatory or wrong about following a teaching if what one is teaching is valid & beneficial.
Smart 'Sheep' follow Good Sheperds.