Cue Selection

[DaveM]

Pechauer is usually 10% and Schon is usually 20% but will be more expensive.

 

[philly]

I have to figure out exactly what the discount will be because $400 is my max . But these are the cues I like from each of the 3 I am considering .

Pechauer / P03-F , P13-F , P15-F


Joss / JOS16 , 10-01B


Schon / CX33 , CX86 , STL-3


There are a couple of others but down to these for the most part . I see that some of the Schon STL series look just like some of the CX series . I know originally the CX were for Cuestix .


Can anyone tell me why the Schon cues for the most part are higher priced . What are you getting to justify the price ? The name ? These 3 companies seam to be about the same quality . I would even say you get less look for the money with Schon .

I am not ruling anything out yet but going to order within the next week or two at the most and want to nail it down a little more . That kinda older school plain jane with the ring work really appeal to me . Like the Pechauer P03-F and the Schon STL-3.

You can get a Joss for less than $260 that will hit like an $800 Joss. If you like the inlays, points, and ring work then that's on you and you will pay for it. Those things don't matter to me. To each their own as they say. By the way there are online outlets that have a liberal return policy and will let you hit the cue you select and if you don't like them for any reason you can return them. Ozone Billiards is just one. Take the time to read the return policies of these sites.

 

[Poolplaya9]

But these are the cues I like from each of the 3 I am considering .

Pechauer / P03-F , P13-F , P15-F


Joss / JOS16 , 10-01B


Schon / CX33 , CX86 , STL-3


Can anyone tell me why the Schon cues for the most part are higher priced . What are you getting to justify the price ? The name ? These 3 companies seam to be about the same quality. I would even say you get less look for the money with Schon .

I am not ruling anything out yet...

Schons are higher priced because people will pay it. They got real popular and when that happens you are able to charge more.

You already have all the information you need. If you care most about how it plays, get a Pechauer, as it will play closest to what you already like and are used to and proficient with. If you want the best value and most bang for the buck, get a Pechauer, or Joss. If you want the best warranty, get a Pechauer. If you want the one that is easiest to sell later, get a Schon. If you want the best resale value, get a Schon (although it may end up being a wash since you pay more up front too). If you want the best looking cue without regards to any of the other factors then just pick whichever one you like the looks of the best as they are all good quality.

All that is left is for you to prioritize the importance of how close it plays to what you are used to, how easy it will be to resell, what kind of warranty it has, how much bang for buck value you get, and how much you like the way it looks.

For me, my playing cue is a playing instrument first and art piece a very distant second so my priorities on a production cue would be in an order something like this:
-How well I like the way it plays, or if I have no way to know or try it out first, then how close it plays to a cue that I already know I like and am proficient with if there is somebody that can tell me.
-Bang for the buck.
-Looks (looks and how good the warranty is are about tied for me).
-Warranty.
-Ease of resale (since I am intending for this to be my lone playing cue how easy it would be to resell would be the lowest of my priorities since I am not intending to want to sell it).

Your priorities might be very different and only you can decide them for yourself. Once you decide your personal priorities, which brand and model to get will be an easy decision to make with the information that everyone has already provided you in this thread.

 

[Shane33]

I want to like the hit and how I think it shoots first . Looks is not real important as far an inlays and such . However I will have to look at it often and want to like the way it looks

I do like some of the simpler cues as I stated at the end of the last post .

I am not the type of person that is going to constantly go through cues . I also do not care about the resale value .

This is why I am trying to get as many opinions and consensus on these cues as I can before I order . Can't try any out ! Trying the best I can to get it right the first time .

I might as well look at one more option . The reason I did not put it on the list is because a person I know had a bad experience with a finish issue and it getting resolved . However there is a couple of cues and one particular by Jacoby that I like.

It is a D1-Cocobolo cue . Really like the simple look . Like I said before I am not sure yet which companies my buddy can order from and how limited it will be .

I will narrow it down to one cue from each company in the next day or two then go look at the catalogs and make my decision .

So is Jacoby right there on quality with the others listed here and how is the hit ?

I do appreciate every ones feed back and taking their time to give me their opinion !

 

[Poolplaya9]

Like I said before I am not sure yet which companies my buddy can order from and how limited it will be.

It would make the most sense to find out first what your buddy can even order for you before continuing with this kind of thread.

So is Jacoby right there on quality with the others listed here and how is the hit?

Jacoby is good quality. As for hit, I don't recall.

But asking people's opinions on hit doesn't make any sense whatsoever to begin with (particularly when your tastes are drastically different than most people's, and trust me, yours is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from the mainstream) because everyone's preferences are so very different and hit is all just personal preference to begin with (there is no right or wrong, only right or wrong for YOUR personal preferences).

You need to be asking what will play closest to what YOU like and what YOU are used to which is a Meucci. Meucci is on the whippier and softer hitting end of the spectrum and the majority of people's preferences are on the total opposite stiffer hitting end of the spectrum so by asking for people's opinions on hit the majority of what you are going to get in your case is going to tend to be exactly the opposite from what YOU prefer.

You are doing yourself a huge disservice IMO. Stick to asking "which of these plays closest to what I like and am used to which is Meucci" or "as someone who is used to and likes the hit of Meucci which of these cues would you think I would tend to like the hit of the best".

 

[Shane33]

Poolplaya9 , as I stated in the opening of the thread I have been using Meucci's for a long time but recently shot really well with my son's action cue that has a steel joint and to me hits much stiffer than the Meucci's .


So maybe I didn't make myself clear . I want to try a stiffer hitting cue which like you said most people like . Which I know all of these will have . This being a forum and mainly for discussion I want to hear as many opinions as I can to get the best idea on what people think these cues hit like .

Also as to the quality and any other info about any of them that I can gather . I will take the info I have received and keep it in mind . Hopefully I will have more before I order .

Regardless I love pool and enjoy hearing peoples opinions and discussing the different options .

A little down the road I will have some experience with whatever I choose and will post on here my opinion of it to anyone who I think wants it .

 

[cubswin]

I'd buy the schon if it was me

 

[Poolplaya9]

So maybe I didn't make myself clear . I want to try a stiffer hitting cue which like you said most people like . Which I know all of these will have.

Maybe I was misunderstanding you some as you also mentioned not wanting to go to stiff since that isn't what you are used to.

Just know that asking people's opinions about how they like the hit of a cue is like asking about clothing. It would really be no different than if you said "I need to get a new set of clothes to wear, what should I buy?" Well the businessmen are going to tell you to get a suit. The casual guys are going to tell you to get jeans and a t-shirt. The bikers are going to tell you to get a leather vest. The dressy casual guys are going to tell you to get dockers and a button up shirt. The surfer guys are going to tell you to get shorts and a tank top. Etc, etc. Which one is right? ALL of them, for THEIR preference. Doesn't help you in the least though, not one single bit. What you need to ask is "hear is my clothing style preference, and with that in mind what specific items can you suggest that I will like that will fit my style preference?"

Even if the overwhelming majority says get a suit and tie, or get a leather biker vest, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Nothing. Simply because it is totally personal preference and everybody's preference is different. Now if you said you are a jeans guy and the overwhelming majority said get Levi's, then now it might mean something.

Since you don't yet have much experience with different hits, and apparently no super strong preferences, but want to try something different than the Meucci you do have a lot of experience with, then just pick something at random because the odds on whether you like it or not is going to be random chance. At your experience level you won't know until you play with it a good bit. Seriously, it doesn't matter what you pick, it is random chance whether you will like it or not.

The smartest thing you could do though is get what is closest to what you are used to and know you liked, even though none of them are very close. But the least furthest away in type of hit would be Pechauer with the Schon not too far behind that.

Or you can choose to intentionally get the most different and opposite kind of hit possible to gain some really new experiences. That would be Joss which is definitely the stiffest and most different from Meucci or Action.

Or you could go with the one that is the most popular by far, which is Schon. Maybe your preference ends up like the majority and you like it best. But with more Schons out there, more people have tried them, and of course that skews the results (EVERYBODY has hit with a Schon). More people would like Pechauers as an example if more people had been exposed to them but very few have. Availability has a big impact on popularity so even popularity doesn't necessarily tell you much.

The best bet and only real way to even slightly increase the odds that you will like it is to get what is closest to what you are used to, but outside of that, seriously, it really doesn't matter what you pick, just pick something at random because your chances of liking it are going to be completely random too. Especially at your experience level that is just how it is and you won't know if you will like the hit of a cue or not until you have played with the cue. Not trying to be curt, just telling it like it is. Outside of picking what is closest to what you know you liked, everything else is just completely random chance on whether you will like it or not and you might as well just write them all down on a piece of paper and throw a dart at it and go with the one that the dart hit closest to.

 

[Shane33]

Yeah I hear what your saying. Its random as to if I will like any of them. I think I might get to look at all my options tonight.

It just sucks that a person can't go see these in person around here. I guess pool is just not that popular around here as to the higher end production cue market. APA league is but the majority of people in them are not paying much for their cues.

Oh well it is what it is.