CJ's Suggestions

CJ's post/suggestions

  • makes perfect sense

    Votes: 55 35.5%

  • makes sense at times

    Votes: 55 35.5%

  • confusing

    Votes: 12 7.7%

  • makes no sense

    Votes: 33 21.3%
  • Total voters
    155
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Ak147

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I get the feel this poll may be controversial. However please don't get me wrong I have respect for CJ's game (and any other player who has played at that level). But somehow his posts/suggestions (e.g. TOI, Pinning and other offbeat topics) doesn't get into my head.

Before I start to ignore them I would like to make sure I am not in minority. Otherwise I will make more efforts to understand them. Hence this poll.

Options are:
1. Makes perfect sense.
2. At times.
3. Confusing.
4. Make no sense.
 
what don't you get?

Both are situational techniques and easy to understand ... for me anyway.

I will turn you green also ...
 
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TOI makes perfect sense to me. In my mind it allows you to have max control and with max allowable error. You can hit it too left or right when you aim it right or left pocket and if you use just a pinch of inside you can error left hit right pocket at least a 1/3 right pocket error and visa versa. Understand??.....Mmmmkay
 
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I see the biggest issue being simply semantics....

TOI was taught to me as topple which was my first lesson on deflection... Take a stack of coins and make a tower... Now push them over with and offset... They fall forward and away from the offset... I started playing TOI out of the gate after that lesson because I could aim tight and cinch my shots... I still play more inside than anyone I know because of that....

Pinning... On the old slow cloth you had to alter your attack angles and you had to use the edges of the tip at times to get the cueball out of the mud or to carry... Since the edge of the tip is the hardest part if you wanted extra spin without adding stroke speed you learned to control the edges of the tip...

CJ's techniques have as much validity as many of the articles on Dr Dave's site. And at this point I would think Dr Dave has touched way more people. While I disagree with the "science" provided in all instances I do not disagree that in the given set of variables for any experiment they normally are unbiased.. (normally... cough, chalk Cough).... I give both my respect....

The parrots... not so much... They continue to rage against anything they have not read and cannot regurgitate. They continue to hope and their self worth depends on that CJ is wrong because it will invalidate their very expertise in a sport that there really are no experts in.. Being well read with a great memory won't run many racks....
 
All - thanks for taking out your time to reply.

TOI - I just don't understand why one should use touch of english (for every shot?) to throw OB in pocket when shot without english is suffice. What is the advantage of hitting everyshot with inside english?

Pinning - Hitting cue ball with edge of tip? Not sure how it works. Will that not cause miscue? Is there any match situation when this should be preferred over normal cueing?
 
Ak147 said:
All - thanks for taking out your time to reply.

TOI - I just don't understand why one should use touch of english (for every shot?) to throw OB in pocket when shot without english is suffice. What is the advantage of hitting everyshot with inside english?

Pinning - Hitting cue ball with edge of tip? Not sure how it works. Will that not cause miscue? Is there any match situation when this should be preferred over normal cueing?
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A touch of inside, not english. Big difference and if you read more about TOI you will get it.

A touch of inside for me is centerball, there is many benefits for me in this. One thing that was required of me to see it though was to do it and doing just that (in every new thing in life - you have to fall to learn to walk) the puzzle gets brighter and brighter.

Back to centerball, when the shot is make I see that the CB is floating, dead. The spin from the contact with the ob is balanced out.
I judge every shot from this position and if I need some english I go from that position.
If you just shot the cb and cue inside you will get english but as we know the OB is there and that makes a different result. I´m talking about angle shots of course.

Regards

Christian

Ps I hope it can light the TOI concept up for you a bit
 
Better TOUCH Better Touch Better touch better touch of inside

Chrippa said:
A touch of inside, not english. Big difference and if you read more about TOI you will get it.

A touch of inside for me is centerball, there is many benefits for me in this. One thing that was required of me to see it though was to do it and doing just that (in every new thing in life - you have to fall to learn to walk) the puzzle gets brighter and brighter.

Back to centerball, when the shot is make I see that the CB is floating, dead. The spin from the contact with the ob is balanced out.
I judge every shot from this position and if I need some english I go from that position.
If you just shot the cb and cue inside you will get english but as we know the OB is there and that makes a different result. I´m talking about angle shots of course.

Regards

Christian

Ps I hope it can light the TOI concept up for you a bit
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Well stated!

It always amazes me that so many people still think the 'Touch of Inside' is "inside english" when it's actually just the inside of center which gives you that incredible TOUCH and FEEL for the pocket......touch is about feeling, not a measurement, although it does have an obvious double meaning, the focus is TOUCH, not distance.
 
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What makes no sense is putting stupid polls on here belittling a champion who takes his time to impart his vast knowledge of the games to the rest of us. Do I use toi...no. Do I appreciate having some one on a forum with his knowledge taking the time to teach ABSOLUTLY.


Nonsense like this is why people are leaving the forum.
 
I voted "makes perfect sense" for two reasons. One: It made perfect sense. Two: He knows more than most the rest of us so that made perfect sense, too. :smile:
 
CJ's posts make sense to me, sometimes you need to think about them to extract the most value, and (as he says) the techniques aren't for everyone. Adopt what works for you and ignore the rest.
 
About TOI and "pinning" (the two techniques mentioned here so far):

TOI

CJ's claims:
- Increases the margin of error - FALSE
- Limits your misses to one side of your target - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Avoiding centerball unnecessarily adds squirt/swerve
- Favoring inside english unnecessarily limits choices
- Best to use whatever the shot calls for without artificial bias

PINNING

CJ's claims:
- You can do it on shots without lots of spin - FALSE
- It adds accuracy or "acceleration" (or whatever) to the stroke - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Tip's edge can only be used on high spin shots
- Adds nothing special to the stroke or tip/ball contact

GENERAL

- CJ's a great player (as we all know)
- The techniques he sells might be of "accidental" benefit in one or two common ways
BUT...
- His explanations are pure sales gimmickry with little or no grounding in reality
- The accidental benefits to be gained from his techniques (primarily paying more attention to tip/CB accuracy) are already taught by just about everybody without misleading pseudoinfo or unnecessary for-sale "systems"

SUMMARY

CJ's more of a motivational speaker than a technical instructor - but confidence is huge in pool, so if you struggle to understand and use the real technical info, then his "alternative interpretations" might be useful for you.

pj
chgo

P.S. I didn't vote because a poll has nothing to do with the accuracy of the info.
 
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Patrick Johnson said:
About TOI and "pinning" (the two techniques mentioned here so far):

TOI

CJ's claims:
- Increases the margin of error - FALSE
- Limits your misses to one side of your target - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Avoiding centerball unnecessarily adds squirt/swerve
- Favoring inside english unnecessarily limits choices
- Best to use whatever the shot calls for without artificial bias

PINNING

CJ's claims:
- You can do it on shots without lots of spin - FALSE
- It adds accuracy or "acceleration" (or whatever) to the stroke - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Tip's edge can only be used on high spin shots
- Adds nothing special to the stroke or tip/ball contact

GENERAL

- CJ's a great player (as we all know)
- The techniques he sells might be of "accidental" benefit in one or two common ways
BUT...
- His explanations are pure sales gimmickry with little or no grounding in reality
- The accidental benefits to be gained from his techniques (primarily paying more attention to tip/CB accuracy) are already taught by just about everybody without misleading pseudoinfo or unnecessary for-sale "systems"

SUMMARY

Confidence is huge in pool, and CJ's more of a motivational speaker than a technical instructor - so if you struggle to understand and use the real technical info, then his "alternative interpretations" might be useful for you.

pj
chgo

P.S. I didn't vote because a poll has nothing to do with the accuracy of the info.
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I can't give you more rep, so here's a green thumbs up! :thumbup:
 
Patrick Johnson said:
About TOI and "pinning" (the two techniques mentioned here so far):

TOI

CJ's claims:
- Increases the margin of error - FALSE
- Limits your misses to one side of your target - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Avoiding centerball unnecessarily adds squirt/swerve
- Favoring inside english unnecessarily limits choices
- Best to use whatever the shot calls for without artificial bias

PINNING

CJ's claims:
- You can do it on shots without lots of spin - FALSE
- It adds accuracy or "acceleration" (or whatever) to the stroke - FALSE

Reality:
- Can encourage more awareness of tip/CB accuracy (a good thing)
BUT...
- Tip's edge can only be used on high spin shots
- Adds nothing special to the stroke or tip/ball contact

GENERAL

- CJ's a great player (as we all know)
- The techniques he sells might be of "accidental" benefit in one or two common ways
BUT...
- His explanations are pure sales gimmickry with little or no grounding in reality
- The accidental benefits to be gained from his techniques (primarily paying more attention to tip/CB accuracy) are already taught by just about everybody without misleading pseudoinfo or unnecessary for-sale "systems"

SUMMARY

CJ's more of a motivational speaker than a technical instructor - but confidence is huge in pool, so if you struggle to understand and use the real technical info, then his "alternative interpretations" might be useful for you.

pj
chgo

P.S. I didn't vote because a poll has nothing to do with the accuracy of the info.
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Well folks it looks like we found an expert in "PJ". Why don't you play "CJ" then "PJ", since you seem to be LOADED with an expert technical approach to the game? Make sure as you are destroying him, you point out what he is doing wrong too. :/
 
xXGEARXx said:
Well folks it looks like we found an expert in "PJ". Why don't you play "CJ" then "PJ", since you seem to be LOADED with an expert technical approach to the game? Make sure as you are destroying him, you point out what he is doing wrong too. :/
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I respect Mr. Wiley's talents.
I enjoy reading his posts, even when I don't fully understand what he is trying to say.
Thread titles perpetually posed as "questions" get tiring, but that is a small complaint.
 
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