CJ's Suggestions
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We play the game to completion, this means you can run 15 and out several times. It's just for practice purposes, there was no money changing hands.
your margin of error was increased at the cue ball contact{with TOI}
What TOI does is give you a margin of error in your cue ball target. That means the cue ball will only deflect ONE WAY, rather than two. This means if you are the same "hair" off in your tip contact (to the cue ball) you will still deflect the cue ball in the same way (to over cut the shot slightly) and if you miss it on the other side you will hit CENTER and not deflect it at all (and hit where you're aligned to hit).
Think about this for a moment:
This means when you miss a ball you will have ONE type of feedback as opposed to TWO. This is like using a TWO HEADED COIN, rather than a normal one. In other words, when you try to hit center and you're off ONE HAIR you just have a 50% (all things being equal) chance of knowing for sure which way off center you errored.
This really shows up on shots you have to hit firm because you're more likely to hit off center and the deflection is amplified.
Try this test. Put the cue ball on the foot spot and the object ball on the head spot. Hit the cue ball with exact center and try to hit the ball on the spot and make it come back and hit the cue ball. Can you do it? How many times out of 10? Each time you don't do this it means you are hitting the cue ball slightly off center and UNINTENTIONALLY deflecting the cue ball enough to miss a shot.
Furthermore you won't know WHY you missed it. With TOI you will get this feedback and can make the necessary adjustments without having to guess. You also get a bigger "pocket zone" because you are always encouraging the object ball to "over cut," therefore you can align "aim" at the part of the pocket closest to the ball.
This increase in margin of error is really because your margin of error was increased at the cue ball contact{with TOI} where it's most important. The object ball simply reflects how you hit the cue ball and transfers the precision of the cue tip contact you are making. That's why ALL misses can be traced directly to how you hit{and were aligned to} the cue ball, not how you hit the object ball. 'The Game is the Teacher'
What TOI does is give you a margin of error in your cue ball target. That means the cue ball will only deflect ONE WAY, rather than two. This means if you are the same "hair" off in your tip contact (to the cue ball) you will still deflect the cue ball in the same way (to over cut the shot slightly) and if you miss it on the other side you will hit CENTER and not deflect it at all (and hit where you're aligned to hit).
Think about this for a moment:
This means when you miss a ball you will have ONE type of feedback as opposed to TWO. This is like using a TWO HEADED COIN, rather than a normal one. In other words, when you try to hit center and you're off ONE HAIR you just have a 50% (all things being equal) chance of knowing for sure which way off center you errored.
This really shows up on shots you have to hit firm because you're more likely to hit off center and the deflection is amplified.
Try this test. Put the cue ball on the foot spot and the object ball on the head spot. Hit the cue ball with exact center and try to hit the ball on the spot and make it come back and hit the cue ball. Can you do it? How many times out of 10? Each time you don't do this it means you are hitting the cue ball slightly off center and UNINTENTIONALLY deflecting the cue ball enough to miss a shot.
Furthermore you won't know WHY you missed it. With TOI you will get this feedback and can make the necessary adjustments without having to guess. You also get a bigger "pocket zone" because you are always encouraging the object ball to "over cut," therefore you can align "aim" at the part of the pocket closest to the ball.
This increase in margin of error is really because your margin of error was increased at the cue ball contact{with TOI} where it's most important. The object ball simply reflects how you hit the cue ball and transfers the precision of the cue tip contact you are making. That's why ALL misses can be traced directly to how you hit{and were aligned to} the cue ball, not how you hit the object ball. 'The Game is the Teacher'
CJ. You alright, buddy? I heard you were getting the crap beat out of you over here.
Kinda reminds me, of the time at Halloween, when I went trick-or-treating in a Hispanic neighborhood dressed as a Pinata. :smile:
Pure bullshit.
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Lol ... another thread runs off the rails! It was started as a poll on CJ's suggestions and how much sense they made, or not, to forum members. While it has turned into a bash CJ fest so maybe we can run off another pro contributor let me point out that the first two positive choices dominate the last two negative choices. So, while the haters are chanting, apparently the majority of the forum understands and appreciates CJ's contributions.
Time for me to take a break from this joint!!
Time for me to take a break from this joint!!
Yeah, but...
Limiting deflection to one direction does not cut deflection errors in half.
If you try to hit center CB, missing that spot to the left or right causes right or left deflection and the CB misses its target to the right or left.
If you try to hit one side of the CB, missing that spot to the left or right causes too much or too little deflection and the CB misses its target to the right or left.
In other words, too much or too little one-direction deflection has the same effect on the shot as unwanted left or right deflection. Avoiding centerball doesn't reduce the number of misses in either direction.
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This is where you out yourself and show you total lack of understanding, your lack of original thought, and for the most part the fact that you likely cannot play a lick..... Keep rereading what you wrote.. I am 100% sure you won't ever understand where and why you are wrong..
It has to do with hedging and the fact that the strokes outside of optimal will still make the ball... You miss contact my more than 6mm I would say you have PJ'd it and nothing can help you aside from a keyboard and computer screen.....
Actually PJ I would point you to Kohlers Science of Pocket billiards... Read it unil you can understand it. especially the section on permissable error.. not parrot it... When you understnd it you will STFU on this topic..... Shell out the 30 bucks buckaroo....
emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it
Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?
Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?
Explaining what an orange tastes like to someone that's never tasted an orange.
It's like explaining how an orange tastes to someone that's never tasted an orange.
It's like explaining how an orange tastes to someone that's never tasted an orange.
Being a pro pool player on a pool forum naturally creates emotional turbulence. ....it's ironic isn't it...... I wonder what the real reason is?
It doesnt matter if you are a pro or an amateur, when you conduct yourself as you do on this forum, you will catch hell for it. I said in an earlier post that I have defended you in the past, and the reason for that, is I honestly feel that the board would benefit from a pro players perspective. And in my opinion, if you would have conducted yourself as a professional, Im sure you would have found your reception here to be better.
However you choose to speak in riddles and come up with your own terminology for things that already have names, constantly egg people on to get them pissed off, you belittle an 80 year old man whos in the one pocket HOF, and you act like a smarmy used car salesman. All the while claiming you are just "joking" if you say something too far out of line.
I have no problem with you selling your tapes, I have no problem with you making whatever claims about whatever you want, thats not my issue with you. When I told you that you have shown your true colors, I damn well meant it. It has nothing to do with you constantly hawking dvd's. Its your personality. You are abrasive, and youre either not wise enough to listen to people and change how you act, or you are fine with acting like a jackass. Either way Im sure you will try and deflect that with some ancient chinese proverb meme.
True colors.... Interesting..... Should require introspection when heard AND when said...
Chuck I have on good advice that you are a pretty good guy... Do some research on the history of the "pack's" posts before you think that CJ started this.. yes he was selling his DVDs but he was also offering some of it for free.
The know it allmostnothings.. Jumped him so he doubled his efforts... Again they jumped him and he redoubled again... A few more times and I think some of the "jackpack" will have aneurisms....
If you don't understand what he's been saying in whole or in part the poll shows you have an agenda or you are p... err dumbass...
I don't agree with everything CJ says but since Wilson is MIA I don't blame him,.....
Its not about his information, or who started it for me. I like some of his information, and have defended him with the same line about him giving away free info.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5045284&postcount=87
What set me off was how I saw him talking to Dick the other day. That is uncalled for, and no matter whatever else he does, good, bad or otherwise, it doesnt make it ok for him to do so. So yes, me calling him out with my honest assessment of his behavior on this forum was warranted in my opinion.
Reality is the Teacher
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I've not learned a thing from cj. I don't despise him, nor have i been brainwashed. Whether I'm in my right mind or not is for others to judge.
CJ is a giant pain in the arse, but is easy to ignore. I don't think I've finished reading one of his posts for years, I'm simply not interested in his techniques. Successful modern day players don't play that way, and that's good enough for me. I'm not interested in how ole One-Eyed Shorty Jack played the game 30 years ago.
The problem here is perception. The majority of those voting are mediocre players. That's the brutal truth. They are star struck and, frankly, don't know any better. I would be amazed if genuine A players and better have taken much notice of what he is saying.
There's an easy way to settle this: create an anonymous account on thesnookerforum and cut and paste CJs methods into a thread and see what the response is. Once everyone has stopped laughing, post the same poll as the OP. You will have an impartial answer from people who can also play a bit.
Simples.
So are you saying you should align every shot like normal when using TOI? Because I thought the two main alignments were CTE and CTC.
If you align to a shot with say CTC with the intention of using the deflection provided by TOI, then that same shot will NOT go in the pocket when you accidentally hit the center of the cue ball instead.
Unless of course you change your initial alignment.
Common sense is the teacher.
I suggest you do that. I'm not surprised that you don't get it right away - it's a little counterintuitive.
That's the claim, but it's simply not true. Someone with good visualization skill will see it immediately.
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