There is a Frank Paradise on eBay

Yes, I know we have a separate board for this, but given how rare these are I thought it deserved mention here.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRANK-PARAD...5&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=251973005437&rt=nc

Here's a pretty interesting photo and not something you see every day. Some Paradise cues and early Palmers have a punch pin installed in the joint to lock it down. Sometimes they're hard to see but this one is protruding. The seller incorrectly refers to it as a stainless joint. It's actually nickel-silver. The year is probably off quite a bit but it's a nice piece of history, a fancy Diamond King.
 
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Here's a pretty interesting photo and not something you see every day. Some Paradise cues and early Palmers have a punch pin installed in the joint to lock it down. Sometimes they're hard to see but this one is protruding. The seller incorrectly refers to it as a stainless joint. It's actually nickel-silver. The year is probably off quite a bit but it's a nice piece of history, a fancy Diamond King.

Good call on the punch pin, not often visible. I suspect this was used for the same reason that old wood golf clubs often had a backscrew, to make sure it didn't come apart. Glues weren't as strong back then as they are now.

Here's another unusual point on this cue. The very large MOP dot high in the buttsleeve. Normally the Diamond Kings had smaller dots than these. Very interesting cue, and unusual, even in the Diamond King series.

Agree with you on the year, I think this is a 60s cue, rather than 50s.

WW
 
This cue has been modified and enough to make a purchase very dicey. Chances are very good that the bottom ring above the butt cap has been replaced or at a minimum had all the inlays replaced to larger dots. The dot that used to be where a small mother of pearl triangle was, is a huge error. There appears to be cracks in the black acrylic. This is not uncommon in cues that have been left in cars which a lot were because no one thought any different. The expansion and contraction could have caused the inlays to pop.

Frank had many foil types, and we have seen white and gold foil as well as the black. The fact that it is odd, does not make it any earlier than any other examples.

There is no way without a receipt to verify the Szamboti refinish and shafts. I won't comment on the price to be fair to the seller, but this cue needs a competent cuemaker to try and rebuild/repair the back end back.

Joe
 
This cue has been modified and enough to make a purchase very dicey. Chances are very good that the bottom ring above the butt cap has been replaced or at a minimum had all the inlays replaced to larger dots. The dot that used to be where a small mother of pearl triangle was, is a huge error. There appears to be cracks in the black acrylic. This is not uncommon in cues that have been left in cars which a lot were because no one thought any different. The expansion and contraction could have caused the inlays to pop.

Frank had many foil types, and we have seen white and gold foil as well as the black. The fact that it is odd, does not make it any earlier than any other examples.

There is no way without a receipt to verify the Szamboti refinish and shafts. I won't comment on the price to be fair to the seller, but this cue needs a competent cuemaker to try and rebuild/repair the back end back.

Joe


Thanks Joe, that was a real buzzkill


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This cue has been modified and enough to make a purchase very dicey. Chances are very good that the bottom ring above the butt cap has been replaced or at a minimum had all the inlays replaced to larger dots. The dot that used to be where a small mother of pearl triangle was, is a huge error. There appears to be cracks in the black acrylic. This is not uncommon in cues that have been left in cars which a lot were because no one thought any different. The expansion and contraction could have caused the inlays to pop.

Frank had many foil types, and we have seen white and gold foil as well as the black. The fact that it is odd, does not make it any earlier than any other examples.

There is no way without a receipt to verify the Szamboti refinish and shafts. I won't comment on the price to be fair to the seller, but this cue needs a competent cuemaker to try and rebuild/repair the back end back.

Joe
Agree with you, Joe, the eventual owner should consider a restoration of this cue, especially considering where the price is. Although Frank was known to indulge his whims with the Diamond Kings, this one does look modified.

I would wonder about the best way to do a restoration. I see a few options:

One, drill out the large MOP inlays in middle and bottom section, and replace with the proper inlays, likely inside a black fill epoxy. Even George Balabushka was known to inlay a MOP diamond inside a fill of some type, so this would be the least intrusive, but maybe not the best method. The alignment of the bottom section of MOP dots is way off in the first place.

Second, replace the middle and bottom sections, entirely, with new inlays, saving the buttcap. Sort of in the middle, but would replace most of the bottom section, assuming black acrylic can be found.

Third, replace the entire bottom section, inlays and all, assuming black acrylic can be found. Probably the prettiest option, in the hands of a competent cuemaker. In terms of value, maybe the most destructive, as a good portion of the cue would be replaced.

Here's something maybe nobody has noticed. On Frank's Diamond King cues, the MOP diamond and dot pattern in the points usually had an asymmetric pattern to them. On these Ebay pictures, it's hard to tell if this is the case or not. One looks asymmetric, one doesn't.

This is truly the most unusual Paradise Diamond King I've ever seen, which has been a bunch. But good fodder for discussion.

WW
 
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I find it odd that the item location is listed in Brentwood, California but the auction listing states "Sorry no California sales."
 
I find it odd that the item location is listed in Brentwood, California but the auction listing states "Sorry no California sales."

The reason why is ebay sellers in California are theoretically obligated to collect sales tax if the buyer is in California. This even applies to private sellers. Rather than go through the paperwork, some sellers probably don't want to bother with it. It's a pretty ridiculous tax that should be banned in private sales because it is not evenly and fairly enforced. For example, sell on Craigslist and nobody is reporting it.
 
It either sold or this guy delisted it. Either way, it's not available anymore.
 
It's back up on eBay, same cue, but now at $7500. Also, seller claims he knows the original owner who bought it is 48. The veneers look like a Spain.
 
It's back up on eBay, same cue, but now at $7500. Also, seller claims he knows the original owner who bought it is 48. The veneers look like a Spain.

I believe it was listed at $4,500 and $5,500.

The description has been revised to no longer include the comments that one of the inlays which was missing and replaced with a large round dot.

The last few months there have been several listings, Palmer in particular with wild starting prices.

There is a PB-8 currently listed at $3,000. Could be an ignorant seller or could be someone hoping to reel in a innocent and naive buyer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Palmer-Cust...427?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cfc2ac23b

This $300 cue was listed for $1,200, then $900, now $750.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Pal...225?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33a457bbc9

It's unfortunate when sellers garner bids on listings like these.
 
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The reason you see so few Paradise cues for sale is that they all fell apart - LITERALLY!

I remember Frank from when he used to show up at Johnston City in his finned 1957 Mercedes with Jersey (or New York) plates and bring a case full of his cues into the back room. I think the prices were just north of $100 ($100-200) and that was a high end cue in the 60's. I couldn't imaging paying over $100 for a cue back then. You could buy a good Adams cue or a Harold Worst for $25-30! Willie Hoppe's sold in the $50-60 price range.
 
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