Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag.

last thing

That's the point - they are all money balls. Shocked the crap out of me. If anyone doubts the validity of what I stated, just ask yourself what would I have to gain from putting it out there? Nothing. I'm at the very least opening myself to poison remarks and possible problems from the mods. I live 8 hrs away from the man. Nothing to gain. I loved the place though. Probably the best room you could find. Nothing against Steinway. Just the raw deal.

Sooooo by bringing it out now you're hoping? cause if you're hoping that he gets kicked of the show then i say he earned the spot on The Hustlers
 

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Nothing against Steinway. Just the raw deal.

If in actual fact, you have $180 coming to you, with a possible $1,800 total, then you
are justified in having a grudge against Steinway's also.

Do they want to be known as....The Home of Finnegan's Break?


Time for Steinway to represent.....
 
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While he was going at me on Facebook messenger - he asked why I waited a year to bring it up. I asked him if he remembered the incident because I hadn't said anything about it being a year a t that point. He said because we haven't had a break and run for a year now. I'm thinking that this situation might be the answer as to... why? Probably the regulars took issue with it.
 
I wasn't there, so I won't comment on what actually happened.

I know Raph Dabreo and he nvr gave me the impression that he would pull a move like that. It seems out of character for Raph.


Eric
 
How much was a ticket to enter the contest?

Since you bought 20 tickets, Raphael was going to break 20 times and, if he made a ball on the break, try to run out?
 
Shitty but I know why!

What he did was shitty but I'll tell you the justification and tell you what we do instead at my tournament.

Visiting players, people or stake horses don't get a roll at my break pot. They also get told that ahead of time. The reason why is because almost all of the money it it came from my local players, its a small tournament sometimes we get 32 players a week. I really don't want somebody coming in and snapping my break pot off and not contributing in the future.

The people who "sponsor" tournament players at my tournament mostly play APA on the same night and like to make it a bidding war buying tickets, makes selling $300-400 of tickets pretty easy. They usually split the break pot even. Now the 10 ball break is hard enough but its also near IMPOSSIBLE for that to not be a gaff rule. First of all you can rack so a "money ball almost ever goes." Now we have some insurance because we have ours on a really tight 9' Diamond with dbl rails and 4" pockets. When the felt is worn in guys who run 3-4 packs don't have a hope against the ghost on our table.

I know why "Finnegan" or whatever his name is did this, but it was the entirely wrong way about it.
 
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Anyone that has ever done a deal here with me knows I'm as straight talking and truthful as they come. I also have friends on here that i speak to on a regular basis. There are 40 guys here and a few more friends that could chime in on that if they care to. If they don't want to get involved in the mess - I certainly understand. It's a can of worms.
 
How much was a ticket to enter the contest?

Since you bought 20 tickets, Raphael was going to break 20 times and, if he made a ball on the break, try to run out?

No lol. There is only one shot at running out. I could buy a 100 tickets and only one gets pulled and whoever breaks gets one shot.
 
How much was a ticket to enter the contest?

Since you bought 20 tickets, Raphael was going to break 20 times and, if he made a ball on the break, try to run out?

It doesnt work that way.

He bought 20 tickets and they all went into the box, with everyone elses. The winning ticket drawn gets to shoot.


Eric
 
What he did was shitty but I'll tell you the justification and tell you what we do instead at my tournament.

Visiting players, people or stake horses don't get a roll at my break pot. They also get told that ahead of time. The reason why is because almost all of the money it it came from my local players, its a small tournament sometimes we get 32 players a week. I really don't want somebody coming in and snapping my break pot off and not contributing in the future.

The people who "sponsor" tournament players at my tournament mostly play APA on the same night and like to make it a bidding war buying tickets, makes selling $300-400 of tickets pretty easy. They usually split the break pot even. Now the 10 ball break is hard enough but its also near IMPOSSIBLE for that to not be a gaff rule. First of all you can rack so a "money ball almost ever goes." Now we have some insurance because we have ours on a really tight 9' Diamond with dbl rails and 4" pockets. When the felt is worn in guys who run 3-4 packs don't have a hope against the ghost on our table.

I know why "Finnegan" or whatever his name is did this, but it was the entirely wrong way about it.

Makes a good point that you probably should not have been in the raffle since you were not playing in the tournament and they might have realized this after the drawing. In the tournament in my homeroom only the players in the tournament have a shot at the break and run and that is as it should be since it is their money in the pot.
 
Makes a good point that you probably should not have been in the raffle since you were not playing in the tournament and they might have realized this after the drawing. In the tournament in my homeroom only the players in the tournament have a shot at the break and run and that is as it should be since it is their money in the pot.

Not what I was referring to. We let players who aren't participating buy tickets, but if there is somebody I haven't met in my life and the room owner has never seen buy a ticket before we will let them know that we can't justify them taking a stab out everybody else's money. The reality is that break pot money isn't the rooms money. Its the players. Jumpin Joe would have a field day with the topic lol.
 
Makes a good point that you probably should not have been in the raffle since you were not playing in the tournament and they might have realized this after the drawing. In the tournament in my homeroom only the players in the tournament have a shot at the break and run and that is as it should be since it is their money in the pot.

There is no way IMO to justify not giving an outsider a chance at a break and run where tickets are purchased.
Doesn't matter who the person is, playing in the tournament or not playing in the tournament.
Any player whos been around long enough knows that there are plenty of people who suck at pool, dont play pool, who go absolutely nuts buying tickets.
CORPORATIONS are formed if the jackpot is high enough, JUST so people can buy tickets.

THE only way you should be able to restrict it to players in the tournament, is if by playing in the tournament, you are given a ticket with your entry fee for a chance at the break and run, or some consolation drawing like a free entry, and you don't sell tickets to anyone else.

To keep it amongst local only, thats fine if the room wants to be nitty like that, you just can't generate money from outside players AT ALL, whether it be through,ticket purchases, or money taken out of an entry fee, or what have you.

It's quite simple. If they were willing to sell tickets to everyone that wanted one, anyone who bought a ticket can win should they be picked.
To sell tickets to everyone they possibly can to generate a lot of money, but then only allow local players that support the room an opportunity to win said jackpot is just a total load of bullsh*t.

As for what supposedly happened in this particular scenario, i can see it happening fairly easily.
I've seen lots of outside players get shafted by local players or businesses because they think...what the heck are they gonna do? They will be gone back to wherever they came from and we will never see them again.

Wouldn't surprise me one but if it were true.
 
Can anyone explain why a person would buy 20 tickets to participate in a break and run event that they aren't allowed to compete in because they weren't in the tournament?

I am confused by this.
 
Can anyone explain why a person would buy 20 tickets to participate in a break and run event that they aren't allowed to compete in because they weren't in the tournament?

I am confused by this.

Because if his ticket is drawn, he can have someone else shoot for him, evidently.
 
In the original OP you stated cut and pasted here:

Begin quote:
"Sorry pal - he didn't make a money ball". I told him that this is the first time I ever heard anything about a money ball on a ten ball break and run. Especially when I was told that each ball made was worth over $180.00. He told me that it was the rules of the house - better luck next time.
End quote:

Sounds to me this was a Steinway sanctioned event with Finnegan running the event. If it was, I would have asked a Steinway manager/owner if this was the case. If so, I would have voiced my displeasure at the lack of clarity in the rules. I am sure you would have gotten at least a profuse apology or more. Steinway's reputation I am sure is very important to them. If it is not a Steinway sanctioned event, disregard my comments.

Al

PS - I also like to avoid conflict but will stand firm if I think I am right. Don't necessarily need a large scene but witnesses do help.
 
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It's quite simple. If they were willing to sell tickets to everyone that wanted one, anyone who bought a ticket can win should they be picked.

To sell tickets to everyone they possibly can to generate a lot of money, but then only allow local players that support the room an opportunity to win said jackpot is just a total load of bullsh*t.


I agreed with this, Why sell the tickets then? If they are against non-locals taking the cheese then refund the ticket money and explain that's the situation. I see both sides of the story but this wasn't handled properly at all
 
Because if his ticket is drawn, he can have someone else shoot for him, evidently.

That's just dumb.

So, I would just like to pay the tournament fee for Earl Strickland... Buy 100 tickets,,, if one of mine is drawn I would just have Earl take a shot at it and chop it with him.

Not really the spirit of the event, I imagine.
 
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