Finnegan is a crook and a scumbag.

[mikeyfrost]

Do you get paid for each "money ball" made (1-10) even if you don't run out?

pj
chgo

Yes you do. You don't get to keep shooting though if you don't pocket the 1-10 ball on break.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Yes you do. You don't get to keep shooting though if you don't pocket the 1-10 ball on break.

Thanks. Sounds like an interesting format for a 10-ball B&R pot. Might have to try it (if I ever hate myself so much that I agree to run another tourney).

pj
chgo

 

[Dave-Kat]

Thanks for clearing this up Mikey. We can see how the game works now. Sounds like OP was not clear on the rules and unfortunately booked with his wife when he thought he got ripped after $orry "it was not the money ball".

Interesting waiting a year for the blast.

-Kat

 

[watchez]

So to end this thread the way it deserves to be I'll just go ahead and state the facts.

The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break.

Case closed nothing to see here, you weren't cheated at all. They did it like that cause they have pure champions that used to just break and run out and the pot never grew. It got much tougher to do leaving those extra balls on the table and the pot grew.

Nice way to try and slander someone when the fact was you bought into something that you didn't care to look into the rules of what you were buying. Before those rules it was just a question of which pro was going to run it out and take half the pot.

Like I said --- something just didn't sound right about the OP story.

The truth will set you free.

 

[ribdoner]

sooooooo sad

 

[(((Satori)))]

What he did was shitty but I'll tell you the justification and tell you what we do instead at my tournament.

Visiting players, people or stake horses don't get a roll at my break pot. They also get told that ahead of time. The reason why is because almost all of the money it it came from my local players, its a small tournament sometimes we get 32 players a week. I really don't want somebody coming in and snapping my break pot off and not contributing in the future.

The people who "sponsor" tournament players at my tournament mostly play APA on the same night and like to make it a bidding war buying tickets, makes selling $300-400 of tickets pretty easy. They usually split the break pot even. Now the 10 ball break is hard enough but its also near IMPOSSIBLE for that to not be a gaff rule. First of all you can rack so a "money ball almost ever goes." Now we have some insurance because we have ours on a really tight 9' Diamond with dbl rails and 4" pockets. When the felt is worn in guys who run 3-4 packs don't have a hope against the ghost on our table.

I know why "Finnegan" or whatever his name is did this, but it was the entirely wrong way about it.

LOL

This guy not only "knew" that Finnegan screwed the Op, but he also "knew" why he did it.

You gotta love this place.

 

[j_zippel]

Now that Mikey Frost has cleared things up, I've read the first post again saying it was a 10 Ball break and run pot, but you never said there were 15 balls on the table? Would that not raise a few questions with you in terms of the rules you were playing?? If someone said to me "Hey, you wanna play 10 ball? " and proceeds rack all 15 i'd likely ask If were were playing 8 ball... At first I thought you got the Fat Shaft but now everything is much more clear. The End

 

[pt109]

Not what I was referring to. We let players who aren't participating buy tickets, but if there is somebody I haven't met in my life and the room owner has never seen buy a ticket before we will let them know that we can't justify them taking a stab out everybody else's money. The reality is that break pot money isn't the rooms money. Its the players. Jumpin Joe would have a field day with the topic lol.

So would you take his $20?

 

[decent dennis]

So to end this thread the way it deserves to be I'll just go ahead and state the facts.

The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break.

Case closed nothing to see here, you weren't cheated at all. They did it like that cause they have pure champions that used to just break and run out and the pot never grew. It got much tougher to do leaving those extra balls on the table and the pot grew.

Nice way to try and slander someone when the fact was you bought into something that you didn't care to look into the rules of what you were buying. Before those rules it was just a question of which pro was going to run it out and take half the pot.

So going by your last line, no one there try to run them theirselves, they all pick a pro to shoot for them?

 

[Patrick Johnson]

At first I thought you got the Fat Shaft...

lol

I'm so stealing that...

pj
chgo

 

[pt109]

Damn son - beat me to it.

And I am not saying you should have gotten into a fight. But I would have stated my case and stood up and gave a speech to the whole crowd that you say was cheering to call Finnegan out.

ABSOLUTELY, NO, WHEN IT COMES TO MONEY, IT CHANGES EVERYTHING AN THEN IT'S NO LONGER FOR FUN. AN SNICKERS IS A TERRIBLE CANDYBAR

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I think the way you post is a capital idea.
:smile:

 

[haystj]

Wow,, I would be rather embarrassed if I called someone a "crook and a scumbag" if it ended up I just didn't know the rules of the game...

Sheeesh.

 

[branpureza]

So to end this thread the way it deserves to be I'll just go ahead and state the facts.

The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break.

Case closed nothing to see here, you weren't cheated at all. They did it like that cause they have pure champions that used to just break and run out and the pot never grew. It got much tougher to do leaving those extra balls on the table and the pot grew.

Nice way to try and slander someone when the fact was you bought into something that you didn't care to look into the rules of what you were buying. Before those rules it was just a question of which pro was going to run it out and take half the pot.

Drops mic, walks off stage...

 

[King T]

you got it right!

There is no way IMO to justify not giving an outsider a chance at a break and run where tickets are purchased.
Doesn't matter who the person is, playing in the tournament or not playing in the tournament.

To keep it amongst local only, thats fine if the room wants to be nitty like that, you just can't generate money from outside players AT ALL, whether it be through,ticket purchases, or money taken out of an entry fee, or what have you.

To sell tickets to everyone they possibly can to generate a lot of money, but then only allow local players that support the room an opportunity to win said jackpot is just a total load of bullsh*t.

As for what supposedly happened in this particular scenario, i can see it happening fairly easily.
I've seen lots of outside players get shafted by local players or businesses because they think...what the heck are they gonna do? They will be gone back to wherever they came from and we will never see them again.

Wouldn't surprise me one but if it were true.

I travel all the time and if I cant win in your Pool hall, then it aint a action place! A you have to be from here rule!!! WTF is that? If you pay, you play!!

 

[Billiardsfan]

"The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break."

I admit that I do not get around the states that much, but I have never heard of a 10 ball game where they rack all 15 balls? Is this common? Is there someone besides Mikeyfrost that can verify this format at Steinway? Seams like there should be someone on here that knows this hall and can corroborate the situation?

 

[Dockter]

"The racked all 15 balls. Making the 11-15 is the same as a dry break. The 10 is still in the center. Only the 1-10 count on the break."

I admit that I do not get around the states that much, but I have never heard of a 10 ball game where they rack all 15 balls? Is this common? Is there someone besides Mikeyfrost that can verify this format at Steinway? Seams like there should be someone on here that knows this hall and can corroborate the situation?

I know of a few tournaments around here that have 9 and 10 ball BnR pots that rack all 15. I don't know if one of them go on the break if it's considered a dry break though. My guess is it would be a dry break but I'll have to check next time I'm out.

 

[RCLane]

wow,, i would be rather embarrassed if i called someone a "crook and a scumbag" if it ended up i just didn't know the rules of the game...

Sheeesh.

that is the thing "sir" the establishment does not have the rules posted for what finnegan was part of the rules & that game

which is the reason why the poster of this thread is angry, as should anyone. Finnegan just did what he wanted to control the winner to as much a degree as he could, he is very bad an has no moral integrity if this is true.

That is my complaint with this situation, the establishment is letting one person who has a lot of pull appearently, to call the shots of the tournaments..."if....if that is the game winnigs are going to a nonlocal player" which is what this scenario is.


Its very misleading to all particapents especially the
"non-locals" what is going to happen when they spend their hard earned dollars to hopefully have a chance at winning a big pot. $1,800.00 is nothing to sneeze at "imo" just like $180 is nothing to just throw away or dismiss.

I had an inncident with my local wal-mart, here on march 29th when they tried to basically steal $200.00 from me when i got a money order that day. I did lose out on $100.00 but i am in the process of writing an discussing the matter with the area manager of the wal-mart for this area an the area managers boss.

The reason i left with them still having a cash register draw $100.00 long an myself being short that exact same amount. Is very simple it was obvious that day i was not going to recover it that day and if i had stayed any longer, it would have ended with me in jail an the manager laughing his way back to whatever it was he was doing before i created a major inconvience in his work day

 

[RCLane]

i think the way you post is a capital idea.
:smile:

well, thanks i am not trying to shout. Most here will not actually believe this, but when i do use large caps it does not mean to me that i am shouting or yelling. To me it can mean several things, tho that is where most will never believe me when i say that, which is fine because i know what i meant an what i said plus my phone is having lots of issues, it is a dna by htc an i got it in 2012 so its due to go to cellphone recycle land an probably end up in africa after it gets its wicked overhaul wherever that so happens

 

[7forlife]

That's just dumb.

So, I would just like to pay the tournament fee for Earl Strickland... Buy 100 tickets,,, if one of mine is drawn I would just have Earl take a shot at it and chop it with him.

Not really the spirit of the event, I imagine.

wow, really?

 

[haystj]

wow, really?

Yes, really..

It is a dumb idea to let people buy chances to compete in a break an run competition and then allow them to randomly give that chance to another person in the tournament.

Yes, really, a dumb idea in my opinion.