Josswest

This cue is at it's proper valuation. As some have mentioned in the neighborhood of 1500 to 1800. I wouldn't pay that price because it's an old standard design and therefore not noteworthy, simple points, very very old butt design, ss joint is not in demand nowadays, is that a delrin butt? I think "old" cues are the domain of Gina, Szamboti, Tad, Kershenbrock SW, Schrager, and Bushka. I wouldn't pay a plug nickel for any other maker's old stuff. The JW cue has a dull dense hit too, imo.

Yet there it is at 1500. Imo, that's a good sale for this type of cue. A few years ago this cue would be bid for less. As a comparison, there's another JW with a newer more complex design at not even $1000 more. Looks like JW's are still inexpensive.
 
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And seriously??? Going to my eBay profile to see what I have purchased??? Yes I bought an owl necklace from China OMG what an idiot. Who cares? I bought it because my niece loves owls. You are a really f***** up man to stoop that low to see what I buy, get a life asshole.

You still haven't responded to my PM... Just a reminder
 
old JossWest cues were rare, so person above sorry I didn't realize the cue was NOT rare, but you are the only person that has said it is not. .

There are different ways to define rare. ALL old cues is rare in the sense that they're all gone.

Rare in cue collecting is the "unusual' type of rare. A very fancy 80s Kershenbrock SW would be rare because there weren't that many fancy ones built. Rare too because of high demand for a Kershenbrock original, making availability RARE. And David Kershenbrock is simply great.

The cue you put up is not rare, imo, it's jut old
 
wow one person tells me it is a beautiful, highly collectible cue worth $2000 then the next guy says it isn't worth a plug nickel. one guy says I'm a cue expert and one guy is correcting my grammar. one guy telling lies that he offered me money for my cues?? big lie, that never happened. I sold the cue for a million dollars, I burned it up then I spread the ashes in my garden. I regret asking for advice here.
 
Lol, what a trainwreck thread! Old Joss West not worth a nickel!?:rotflmao: Those are the same guys that are going to tell you what a rare opportunity and a steal the same cue is at 3k, when they are selling it! :rolleyes:God damned flippers running wild in here! :(Makes me happy I've done all my buying on Ebay.

The OP did get one reasonable answer, which is more than could be expected with no description. She also got a truckload of crap, and people preparing the ground to rob her, which is exactly as expected.
 
Lol, what a trainwreck thread! Old Joss West not worth a nickel!?:rotflmao: Those are the same guys that are going to tell you what a rare opportunity and a steal the same cue is at 3k, when they are selling it! :rolleyes:God damned flippers running wild in here! :(Makes me happy I've done all my buying on Ebay.

The OP did get one reasonable answer, which is more than could be expected with no description. She also got a truckload of crap, and people preparing the ground to rob her, which is exactly as expected.


Indeed. Though I do feel 1500-1800 is about right on that cue (the 300 range dependent on feedback of seller, condition, shafts, tips, size of shafts etc...). I would have put a 1500 reserve and let the market decide the rest. In the 2K range I have seen fancier ones, so feel that's about right.
 
wow one person tells me it is a beautiful, highly collectible cue worth $2000 then the next guy says it isn't worth a plug nickel. one guy says I'm a cue expert and one guy is correcting my grammar. one guy telling lies that he offered me money for my cues?? big lie, that never happened. I sold the cue for a million dollars, I burned it up then I spread the ashes in my garden. I regret asking for advice here.

LOL.

Well look. You're not supposed to believe or think any one opinion is correct. It's not worth a plug nickel TO ME. The key word here is "opinion". You are supposed to take it all in and see what makes sense, don't rely on any one thing.

Two things have happened. 1...you put it up and it was at $1500 - doesn't matter who says what, correct? 2...Take a look at this http://www.ebay.com/itm/Monster-Jos...758?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2353715976 and gauge your cue accordingly. And note, this cue has got loads of ivory inlays, yours has none, right. Your cue is not going to get fancier, only older. Five years from now is someone going to say "I remember that cue. Now that it's 5 years older, it must REALLY be worth a lot." I'll repeat, I think the ebay 1500 was a good deal.

Simple, right.
 
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wow one person tells me it is a beautiful, highly collectible cue worth $2000 then the next guy says it isn't worth a plug nickel. one guy says I'm a cue expert and one guy is correcting my grammar. one guy telling lies that he offered me money for my cues?? big lie, that never happened. I sold the cue for a million dollars, I burned it up then I spread the ashes in my garden. I regret asking for advice here.

Gloria...you are a whack job. I offerred you good money for the cues. So did Idealolgist. You went psycho on both of us. Good job making ebay rich....some people just love paying fees.
 
And they still haven't replied to my pm... A simple reply. That says a lot.....
 
WOW. That's what hustlers do. You must think like one.
LOL

Yes, I guess I kind of do, in that I can recognize when this sort of stuff is going on. I don't act like one, though. Let's just say I have had some rather unfortunate life experiences that's made me more than a little misantropic..
 
it has lots of mother of pearl inlays?? you know nothing so why are you commenting? person calling me a wack job? you are a liar you never offered me a Penney for the cue? sounds like you tried to rob and take advantage of me and I didn't fall for it and now you are pissed. get a life and move along. the cue is gone, long gone so this thread is pointless and all you haters can go on to the next victim.

I'm not answering any messages. I have no cues for sale and will never sell any cue at any price. when I originally asked for where I could get information on JossWest cues I never in a million years thought I would be attacked and lied to and verbally abused like I have here. shame on the people that told me azb was a good place to learn about cues, they neglected to tell me about the abuse you must take if you dare ask a question.

cue is gone so this thread should be gone also.
 
it has lots of mother of pearl inlays?? you know nothing so why are you commenting? person calling me a wack job? you are a liar you never offered me a Penney for the cue? sounds like you tried to rob and take advantage of me and I didn't fall for it and now you are pissed. get a life and move along. the cue is gone, long gone so this thread is pointless and all you haters can go on to the next victim.

I'm not answering any messages. I have no cues for sale and will never sell any cue at any price. when I originally asked for where I could get information on JossWest cues I never in a million years thought I would be attacked and lied to and verbally abused like I have here. shame on the people that told me azb was a good place to learn about cues, they neglected to tell me about the abuse you must take if you dare ask a question.

cue is gone so this thread should be gone also.

The fact that you wouldn't just ANSWER my PM said everything I and others needed to know. You didn't even know my reasons for wanting to talk.. Just blew me off THEN lied with a fake excuse, THEN promised you'd respond, THEN responded to this thread multiple times while continuing to ignore my PM.. And NOW you say your not answering any messages AFTER the auction is over... I knew it from the start.

You need to learn how to deal with people lady... What Goes Around Comes Around...
 
The fact that you wouldn't just ANSWER my PM said everything I and others needed to know. You didn't even know my reasons for wanting to talk.. Just blew me off THEN lied with a fake excuse, THEN promised you'd respond, THEN responded to this thread multiple times while continuing to ignore my PM.. And NOW you say your not answering any messages AFTER the auction is over... I knew it from the start.

You need to learn how to deal with people lady... What Goes Around Comes Around...

We agreed to terms on a deal but she wouldn't do it if I didn't pay paypal as a gift. Even if I paid her shipping and fees and more.

That's how I knew I was done. Weeks ago.
 
Oh yes I remember you... You wanted me to send you a cue without paying then if you wanted it you would send me payment. You offered me a few hundred dollars for a cue I sold for $1000 you are a crook and tried to rob Me. And person wanting to call me, anything you want to say you could have said in your private message you don't need my private phone number.
 
Oh yes I remember you... You wanted me to send you a cue without paying then if you wanted it you would send me payment. You offered me a few hundred dollars for a cue I sold for $1000 you are a crook and tried to rob Me. And person wanting to call me, anything you want to say you could have said in your private message you don't need my private phone number.

sorry, but "ideologist" we know here and we know he's on the up and up. You, not so much. So, if he's saying you're a scammer, that's good enough for me, and most others. Time for you to go now.
 
it has lots of mother of pearl inlays?? you know nothing so why are you commenting? person calling me a wack job? you are a liar you never offered me a Penney for the cue? sounds like you tried to rob and take advantage of me and I didn't fall for it and now you are pissed. get a life and move along. the cue is gone, long gone so this thread is pointless and all you haters can go on to the next victim.

I'm not answering any messages. I have no cues for sale and will never sell any cue at any price. when I originally asked for where I could get information on JossWest cues I never in a million years thought I would be attacked and lied to and verbally abused like I have here. shame on the people that told me azb was a good place to learn about cues, they neglected to tell me about the abuse you must take if you dare ask a question.

cue is gone so this thread should be gone also.
I got the answer for a nit like you....keep going and you'll see how the next auction goes....try me. I love free stuff.

I think the mental ward is looking for you Gloria. It's medication time.
 
Jeez, try to get a valuation on your grandmothers favorite old doll and you will pay some antique dealer $125 for the privilege. So what exactly is it you want for free here on AZB?

I know you did not just fall off the turnip truck, not if those cues have been under your bed for 20 years, and if you are 'not selling' some of them quote "There is a Craig Petersen and a thomas wayne and Meucci and schon, those I won't sell."

What did you expect from AZB - maybe for Bill Stroud to send you a signed Certificate of Authenticity and a Provenance, followed by six national cue authorities getting together to write out and sign a formal insurance-acceptable Certificate of Valuation?

The cue itself is kinda ugly, you know, with that horrible rust red stain that clashes with the point colors, and ruins an otherwise nice looking maple forearm. That color combination may be what makes it rare, maybe Bill S. discovered he could not sell many of that design, maybe in fact could not give it away with those colors, so therefore it is in fact a rare Josswest just by accident of being ugly... just my opinion.

You say you don't know anything about cues, yet you say it is in "Great condition!" and it is "Gorgeous" and "rare" and you know to say "When rolled it rolls nice and smooth" (no mention of straight.. hmmm, but it does roll smooth). Not to mention you know the inlays are MOP rather than plastic or abalone shell or something similar, and you counted the four points, all of which point to some knowledge of cues.

It is sort of sad to see you playing the oh poor ignorant me card, you guys are such meanies and bad people, boo hoo how did I ever fall in with such a bunch of school yard bullies, oh boo hoo poor me... You actually spent more time complaining about meanies than listing a link to photos or actually showing photos so a reply could give you an informed opinion not just a shot in the dark..

I have no sympathy, and I doubt many others do either, since last night your first post could have said "I am selling a Josswest which can be viewed at ebay.com number so and so, and the bids are up around $1325, but I didn't set a reserve, and I don't want to let it go too cheap, can anyone help me determine the best price I might get?"

Dry your tears, you know exactly what this is worth, because just like anything else it is worth whatever people will pay for it, and what a seller will accept.

An auction is one of the best methods of setting value. Unfortunately, Ebay is not a true auction, because it is time limited, rather than bid limited. That is why Ebay sellers have to set high starting prices or set a reserve, lest their item sell too cheap.

But you've had 384 transactions, and even if most of them have been buying junk Chinese jewelry you still probably have a better idea of ebay workings than most people.

If you wanted people to see photos and give good advice, you know by now you screwed up by not posting your ebay link, or properly saying up front where to find those photos.

We are all mind readers, but some of us don't bother to do it. The cure for the meanies on AZB is to not AZB, simply head out to the interwebz and google for your advice, I'm sure Ask.com (or is it Answer.com?) has someone who will tell you the exact value of your cue even without a photo, just papal $30 for their expert advice, and get your answer within 23 hours!.

ps you had photos up since the middle of last night, but failed to mention them for ten more hours, and then only in the middle of a reply about something else, and you never posted your ebay link at all, though eventually you agreed when someone else finally found it.

pps yes Virginia it is a bunk move, aka POS, bordering on fraud, to encourage bidders to make a bid that they think is a real contractual agreement between both parties, when in fact one party, the seller, is just using the 'auction' to generate some idea of the item's value, when seller fully intends to void the Ebay auction at seller's convenience, thus pulling the rug out from under every bidder who bid in good faith as part of an expected contract.

ppps You have been given good advice here. I carefully reviewed every prior comment and found not one reply that fails to give sound advice, though some are not perfectly diplomatic, their advice and/or comments are sound. Even constructive criticism is still criticism, a word which comes from Greek beginnings which originally meant "to tear flesh." The Internetz is not a place to visit with a thin skin, and I know you already know that, but still want to play the 'oh my oh my, don't be mean to me, I'm just a poor girl who don't know nothin' bout nothin' card? Sheesh...

pppps Just in case you really are as dense as you claim to be, re-read the reply from tduncan, it contains everything you ask for.
This is a great post. She was trying to squeeze a buck or two.
 
Oh yes I remember you... You wanted me to send you a cue without paying then if you wanted it you would send me payment. You offered me a few hundred dollars for a cue I sold for $1000 you are a crook and tried to rob Me. And person wanting to call me, anything you want to say you could have said in your private message you don't need my private phone number.

You wouldn't give me your number because you didn't want to tip your hand that you knew more than you were saying...You sold a cue for $1000 before this auction? I thought you said you knew nothing about cues?

Just more deceit and lies... Everyone's on to you lady.. Take you auction money and go away...
 
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