One Pocket Players: Removing Balls From Jaws of Opponents Pocket

For me its not much of a deviation at all. I don't shorten my backstroke because that doesn't make any sense to me. Force follow shots are pretty difficult with a smooth un-interrupted stroke (for me anyways). If you can provide an easy solution to this particular shot our OP is enquiring about and create the same cue ball action that we are all referring to than please do so.
As I said before the slower to the cue ball, the slower the spin takes, and the faster to the cue ball the faster the spin takes. The cue ball may travel the same equivalent amount but with a different reaction. Creating this reaction by the standard pendulum stroke is tough.
If you can teach us something new it would be appreciated.


I don't think he can, Drop. He spends half of his time going to great lengths showing others their mistakes, and the other half shitting in his own nest. It beats all I ever seen, and I don't even know if he can actually play pool. :smile:
 
I don't think he can, Drop. He spends half of his time going to great lengths showing others their mistakes, and the other half shitting in his own nest. It beats all I ever seen, and I don't even know if he can actually play pool. :smile:

Don't worry Tramp. I posted that already knowing the answer. Pj is just as bad as *j asking rhetorical questions and trying to bait people on the forum sometimes. Although he has his good moments too.
 
Most of the time you will use low English when removing balls in the jaws of your opponents pocket. You want to kill the cue ball right there. Plus, this way if the cue ball double kisses the object ball (it happens a lot) it won't scratch.
 
Most of the time you will use low English when removing balls in the jaws of your opponents pocket. You want to kill the cue ball right there. Plus, this way if the cue ball double kisses the object ball (it happens a lot) it won't scratch.

Low english? If I'm kicking at the ball wont the low english reverse into high english off the rail and follow the object ball?
 
What's the long answer? lol

Low English kills the cue ball off the rail when it makes contact with an object ball. Even more so in tight quarters. Rafael Martinez was the master of kicking at balls and killing the cue ball right there. You might find examples of him doing this on youtube.
 
Most of the time you will use low English when removing balls in the jaws of your opponents pocket. You want to kill the cue ball right there.
The biggest reason for this is that follow tends to move the CB toward the pocket (scratch) after contact.

pj
chgo
 
The biggest reason for this is that follow tends to move the CB toward the pocket (scratch) after contact.

pj
chgo

Johnson, would you please read what has gone on before. Myself, and others, have said the precise same thing that you have just now mentioned. For some reason you seem to think that if you change the words a little it becomes a new idea.
 
Johnson, would you please read what has gone on before. Myself, and others, have said the precise same thing that you have just now mentioned. For some reason you seem to think that if you change the words a little it becomes a new idea.
Stop with the drama posts, Tramp. They don't help anybody - not even you.

I said it differently so those who might not have understood your "precise same thing" (where is that, by the way?) might understand mine.

You seem to look at this as an ego contest. I look at it as trying to help others understand. Which attitude do you think is more helpful here?

pj
chgo
 
In this case you would use extreme left English and hit the short rail first. I would shoot it very slow because you only need to move the one ball out a few inches. Shooting hard would change to many things.




This is what I was referring to
 
Stop with the drama posts, Tramp. They don't help anybody - not even you.
I said it differently so those who might not have understood your "precise same thing" (where is that, by the way?) might understand mine.
You seem to look at this as an ego contest. I look at it as trying to help others understand. Which attitude do you think is more helpful here?
pj
chgo

No, I'm just telling you to quit repeating what other people say and calling it your own. You're getting to be a real pain in the ass.
Try doing something you've never done before, and tell a new member you're glad they're here.
 
I'll bet others don't understand it either - but I suppose revenging your (imagined) bruised ego is more important than being understood...

pj <- Romper Room up in here
chgo

My ego is not bruised at all good sir. I merely don't care to get into a debate or long winded explanation that you will probably constantly question. I'll give it a go but again you will have to hit some balls (I was being serious). The faster the cue speed, the faster the english takes. Meaning that with faster cue speed relative to the force imparted on the cue ball, the less the cue ball with slide after contact.

A punch (or hard stroke or whatever you want to call it), or a forceful but slower stroke at the same contact point on the cue ball will cause the cue ball to slide more and then draw. Most people who grip the cue to tight or don't have a very good stroke in the first place tend to do the latter automatically. However, this type of stroke can be used as a tool in ones game. I personally hold the cue fairly loosely and have quite quick cue speed. I tighten my grip and paused on my backstroke for these type of shots because of this. Its much easier for me to achieve consistent results this way. The speed of the cue has changed in these instances but I'm now relying on the mass of my arms to punch into the cue ball, rather than "throw" my cue through the cue ball with nice unhindered pendulum action.

I'm sorry man but I have seen you ask many a baiting and rhetorical question on here in order to provoke these types of debates. Its because of this that Tramp and I take issue with you.
 


This is what I was referring to

I'm hitting the long rail first....low left and sticking whitey.....lots of left.
Hopefully, the 1-ball will bank towards the far corner on your side of the table.

If the one is a tad deeper, I like coming off the short rail with a bit of left and kick-banking
the one towards the seven....and hopefully whitey runs into the fifteen and gets it outta
there.

Moving the one just a little bit still leaves you at a disadvantage.....
 
In this case you would use extreme left English and hit the short rail first. I would shoot it very slow because you only need to move the one ball out a few inches. Shooting hard would change to many things.

If you can see the rail past the 15 and before the 1 ball then firm bottom left can work as well. Although I would use extreme left here if you are going short rail first. Very slow extreme inside is very difficult to control and the cue ball is very likely to take off on the long rail after contact with the one ball. Really though this isnt an ideal move in one pocket. If the 15 isn't there then hitting short rail firm. With the 15 I'm gonna try to get underneath/behind the 1 so my opponent can't trap me.
 
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