CSI Questionable use of the "US Open" name?

pt109 said:
I'm not a fan of 7-footers....but there's another way of looking at this.

Better to have the US Open 10-ball on bar tables than not at all.
The set-up was inexpensive, therefore more money for the players.

In a perfect world, this event would be played under world class conditions with hundreds
of entries.....but in case no one has noticed, it's not a perfect world.

The snooker world survived until 1977 with inferior venues....
...but they were ready when they got their break.

I applaud CSI for hanging in there
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Good point. CSI is not responsible for the loss of 9-foot pool rooms in the U.S., they're just trying to make the best of that reality. And we could all contribute in small ways, especially with our money. Rather than being cheap, and looking for excuses not to buy streams, we should be supporting them.
 
Perhaps its just a branding issue. Maybe call it the US Open 10.7, 9.7 and 8.7 for the 7 footers; and maybe the US Open 10.9, 9.9 and so one for the 9 footers. At least there would be no ambiguity with what game is being played on what size tables.
 
Agent 99 said:
I guess Earl will not have to worry about Shane ever passing his total of 5 US Open Championships ... Not in the eyes of any reasonable person.
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The U.S. Open 9ball championship is still played on 9' tables.

FYI, Shane won 4 U.S. Open 9balls, 1 U.S. Open 10ball, 1 U.S. Open 8ball and 1 U.S. Open one pocket. All on big table... So that's 7 U.S. Open titles.

But, this is pool and they just make up important sounding names for everything so whatever.
 
pt109 said:
I'm not a fan of 7-footers....but there's another way of looking at this.

Better to have the US Open 10-ball on bar tables than not at all.
The set-up was inexpensive, therefore more money for the players.

In a perfect world, this event would be played under world class conditions with hundreds
of entries.....but in case no one has noticed, it's not a perfect world.

The snooker world survived until 1977 with inferior venues....
...but they were ready when they got their break.

I applaud CSI for hanging in there
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I agree fully with this! Pool is in a bad state and all I hear are people bashing every event that anyone puts effort in to. I would just consider everyone luck to have an event top play in or we will be stuck in our basements playing our neighbors!
 
pt109 said:
I'm not a fan of 7-footers....but there's another way of looking at this.

Better to have the US Open 10-ball on bar tables than not at all.
The set-up was inexpensive, therefore more money for the players.

In a perfect world, this event would be played under world class conditions with hundreds
of entries.....but in case no one has noticed, it's not a perfect world.

The snooker world survived until 1977 with inferior venues....
...but they were ready when they got their break.

I applaud CSI for hanging in there
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I love that CSI is having 10 Ball & 8 Ball tournament for the Pro Players.
My only issue is there is NO NEED for CSI to destroy the Prestige of the US Open brand.
To me this would be like buying a stream to the US Open Tennis matches and when you turn on your computer you are watching Nadal & Federer playing Ping Pong.
Oh I see you meant "Table Tennis" my bad :thumbup: Branding is important and the Prestige of the US Open brand has just now taken a major hit for the worse :angry:
 
sebroy9 said:
Bar box should be in the tittle.. I almost got tricked into buying the payperview because they almost made it seem like it was 9 footers.
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Lots of people don't like alternate break, should that be in the title too?
They called it what it is, the US Open 10-Ball.

gr. Dave
 
jmurphy said:
I love that CSI is having 10 Ball & 8 Ball tournament for the Pro Players.
My only issue is there is NO NEED for CSI to destroy the Prestige of the US Open brand.
To me this would be like buying a stream to the US Open Tennis matches and when you turn on your computer you are watching Nadal & Federer playing Ping Pong.
Oh I see you meant "Table Tennis" my bad :thumbup: Branding is important and the Prestige of the US Open brand has just now taken a major hit for the worse :angry:
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not really the best analogy since that's actually two totally different games not just a different playing surface. anybody that watched shane and mike d play the other night saw that pros still miss on bar tables too. idk...i don't have a huge issue with pro tournaments being played on any sort of table. the us open golf tournament gets contested on different types of venues every year. i don't really see much difference. i don't think it tarnishes a name at all since the winner still had to beat the best of the best to win it.
 
jmurphy said:
I just left the RIO last night and the place looks great.
It was awesome seeing some of the Pro matches however it seems like a lot of people are going to miss out on seeing the event live because it's being held before the BCALP "team" events get started.
I guess that had to be done because the 10-Ball & 8-Ball events are being held on the bar tables not a separate arena of 9 foot tables. Which brings me to my issue with the use of the "US Open" name.

If you are going to hold these Pro events on Bar tables IMHOP the title should be:

CSI 10-Ball Championships
CSI 8-Ball Championships
OR
US Open 10-Ball Bar Table Championships
US Open 8-Ball Bar Table Championships

The point being that there should a clear distinction when Pro tournaments are being held on Bar tables vs. 9 foot tables.
The use of "US Open" in the title of a pool tournament is the Gold Standard and for 40 years now it has been synonymous with the Pro tour as a "Pro table" / "Big table" event.

Any thoughts?
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well said !!
 
jmurphy said:
I just left the RIO last night and the place looks great.
It was awesome seeing some of the Pro matches however it seems like a lot of people are going to miss out on seeing the event live because it's being held before the BCALP "team" events get started.
I guess that had to be done because the 10-Ball & 8-Ball events are being held on the bar tables not a separate arena of 9 foot tables. Which brings me to my issue with the use of the "US Open" name.

If you are going to hold these Pro events on Bar tables IMHOP the title should be:

CSI 10-Ball Championships
CSI 8-Ball Championships
OR
US Open 10-Ball Bar Table Championships
US Open 8-Ball Bar Table Championships

The point being that there should a clear distinction when Pro tournaments are being held on Bar tables vs. 9 foot tables.
The use of "US Open" in the title of a pool tournament is the Gold Standard and for 40 years now it has been synonymous with the Pro tour as a "Pro table" / "Big table" event.

Any thoughts?
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cleary said:
The U.S. Open 9ball championship is still played on 9' tables.

FYI, Shane won 4 U.S. Open 9balls, 1 U.S. Open 10ball, 1 U.S. Open 8ball and 1 U.S. Open one pocket. All on big table... So that's 7 U.S. Open titles.

But, this is pool and they just make up important sounding names for everything so whatever.
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Seven US Open titles in three different disciplines ... How outstanding is that? !!

If he wins the 10ball this year will it have an asterisk in the record books? I guess that's my point. Will the 7 foot title be recognized with the same prestige as the previous seven?

I have nothing against seven foot tables ... just saying that they are not what the US Open has ever represented before.

To me it's like calling a car a bus .. To not include 7 footer in the title of the tournament doesn't make since to me.

But yeah it's pool and I am all for that. Times change and so has the meaning of the 'US Open' .. that's just the way it is.

Perhaps someday someone will restore the luster to this iconic brand.

Until then we will still have the new King of American Pool Events ... The DCC

Good rolls.
 
Well if it's in the United States, it's an open tournament, and they are playing 10-ball.... Then I don't mind.
 
Money!!!

jmurphy said:
The point being that for 40 years now the Prestige of the US Open name (in Pool) is synonymous (and should remain so) with Pro Pool and 9' tables .
As another AZ member stated CSI is devaluing the Prestige of the US Open name as long as no clear distinction is made in reference to these championships being played on 7' tables.
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No, the point is that there is money going to winning pool players! Money that would not otherwise be available. CSI has made it clear that they are doing this because of costs. Ozzy has made it clear that he doesn't like it. As I mentioned, I don't like it either (although what I think isn't important). But, the cost savings are enormous, especially when dealing with unions. If this sport ever gets to the point that we could sell skyboxes, then we could make demands. Until then, reality has to set it.

As far as devaluing the product? CSI is trying to keep pro pool tournaments alive in the US. Like it or not, if there were any other better products available this past weekend, the pro players would have been there instead.

And as far as whether the tables impacted the outcome of the game? The last six players include...

SVB, Appleton, Deuel, Hohmann, Orcollo, and Justin Hall.

I can't come up with a stronger six in the rest of the pack.
 
SouthernDraw said:
No, the point is that there is money going to winning pool players! Money that would not otherwise be available. CSI has made it clear that they are doing this because of costs. Ozzy has made it clear that he doesn't like it. As I mentioned, I don't like it either (although what I think isn't important). But, the cost savings are enormous, especially when dealing with unions. If this sport ever gets to the point that we could sell skyboxes, then we could make demands. Until then, reality has to set it.

As far as devaluing the product? CSI is trying to keep pro pool tournaments alive in the US. Like it or not, if there were any other better products available this past weekend, the pro players would have been there instead.

And as far as whether the tables impacted the outcome of the game? The last six players include...

SVB, Appleton, Deuel, Hohmann, Orcollo, and Justin Hall.

I can't come up with a stronger six in the rest of the pack.
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some of us just feels like it should have bar table in the name of the tournament.
 
The fact that it was on 7' tables is the only reason I did not order any PPV of the event.

I would bet that having it on 7 footers did not increase viewers one bit over the 9 footers, in person or on PPV. But it does help quite a bit in logistics and cost in setting up a section of 9 footers for the pros.

My personal biggest issue is that when they had a dozen+ tables for the pros, they also had the junior nationals there which was a lot of fun to be at. More so than the BCA trade show the BEF is going with now. The BCA show closes up shop and the kids have to leave, no staying and practicing after the matches, while at the Rio they had full run of the tables and would be playing alongside the pros.
 
SouthernDraw said:
No, the point is that there is money going to winning pool players! Money that would not otherwise be available. CSI has made it clear that they are doing this because of costs. Ozzy has made it clear that he doesn't like it. As I mentioned, I don't like it either (although what I think isn't important). But, the cost savings are enormous, especially when dealing with unions. If this sport ever gets to the point that we could sell skyboxes, then we could make demands. Until then, reality has to set it.

As far as devaluing the product? CSI is trying to keep pro pool tournaments alive in the US. Like it or not, if there were any other better products available this past weekend, the pro players would have been there instead.

And as far as whether the tables impacted the outcome of the game? The last six players include...

SVB, Appleton, Deuel, Hohmann, Orcollo, and Justin Hall.

I can't come up with a stronger six in the rest of the pack.
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Out of this short field that may be so .
I don't recall Ozzy ever saying he didn't like it in fact I remembering him saying this is the future of pool ,,
The fact of the matter US Open wins are used to determine a players career , and if anyone thinks for a second it's the same thing as a U.S. Open win on s 9ft they bumped their head it's not even remotely close
At the end of the day its a injustice to past champions and it's degrading to the name US Open no matter how it's sliced or diced
If they moved the Kentuky derby to a mile the Preakness to 6 furlongs and the Belmont to a 1 1/6 of a mile
All those races would produce a far type of champion they where too , and comparing them to past Champions would be impossible ,, we use these titles as a measure of greatness plain and simple

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You keep talking about your opinion. When it comes to drunk tables, they (opinions) basically start at the same place your beer goes in and ends where it comes out. This is "pro pool in America". Vote with your wallet.
 
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