Evan Clarke with Segen Cues
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I visited Segen Cues today. Evan has several cues for sale and many are at an entry level price. He is still trying to get his website the way he wants it. He is a pleasure to talk to and very hospitable....I placed an order, can't wait. Give him a call.
I visited Segen Cues today. Evan has several cues for sale and many are at an entry level price. He is still trying to get his website the way he wants it. He is a pleasure to talk to and very hospitable....I placed an order, can't wait. Give him a call.
I visited Segen Cues today. Evan has several cues for sale and many are at an entry level price. He is still trying to get his website the way he wants it. He is a pleasure to talk to and very hospitable....I placed an order, can't wait. Give him a call.
Am I seeing it correctly - no steel joints?
Wow,,,,,Evan caught my attention with this array of cues in progress.
I admire his no steel joints approach......I heard that Evan will do some
tight custom cue work and I'm eager to see some finished cues. I always
had a hunch he could do knock out some amazing pool cues beyond
what he produced at Schon cues. And, it sure does look like I was right..
Matt B.
I admire his no steel joints approach......I heard that Evan will do some
tight custom cue work and I'm eager to see some finished cues. I always
had a hunch he could do knock out some amazing pool cues beyond
what he produced at Schon cues. And, it sure does look like I was right..
Matt B.
Wow pretty nice looking cue out there.
May i know what are possible reasons that Evan ,other cuemakers and production companues that would not do traditional sharp pointed cues ?
Is it because it requires a special machine or it is too labour intensive for a one man show ?
Thanks
May i know what are possible reasons that Evan ,other cuemakers and production companues that would not do traditional sharp pointed cues ?
Is it because it requires a special machine or it is too labour intensive for a one man show ?
Thanks
My opinion is, the praise he got from making Schon cues, how could somebody
stray from steel jointed cues completely?
I like Schon cues, but these look mass produced and not original at all.
I know a cuemaker that has a ( 1 man shop ) , are all those cues just made
by Evan and Evan alone ?
stray from steel jointed cues completely?
I like Schon cues, but these look mass produced and not original at all.
I know a cuemaker that has a ( 1 man shop ) , are all those cues just made
by Evan and Evan alone ?
What I'm surprised about most in this thread is that Tony S of BB does flat bottom points.
The biggest difference, IMHO, between 82-92 Schon vs 93-present is that the latter are cored.
Coring and flat bottom points allow for less variables in the overall feel and the ability to easily recreate a hit.
No linen wraps leads me to believe he is looking to save money. It is more cost efective to do a leather wrap, as it is easier and requires less skill than linen.
The biggest difference, IMHO, between 82-92 Schon vs 93-present is that the latter are cored.
Coring and flat bottom points allow for less variables in the overall feel and the ability to easily recreate a hit.
No linen wraps leads me to believe he is looking to save money. It is more cost efective to do a leather wrap, as it is easier and requires less skill than linen.
Um, it is much easier to install leather. Wrap jig, sharp cutter, presto.
You can 'hack install' linen, but to do it perfectly takes much more effort.
Steel jointed cues are traditional and although I don't mind hitting with one if I have to, I prefer a wood or phenolic joint all day. Moving away from steel joints is good move.
I think that the market for leather wraps is a lot stronger. Leather is also better for resale and I'm sure that he got asked to do custom orders with leather wraps at Schon.
This is only hearsay until proven true or false, but Ive heard Evan is not doing the "building" aspect anymore as his eyesight is shot (he is in his late 60s early 70s IIRC).
Instead he is doing all of the design work, and running the business/leading the shop etc.
Maybe someone in the know, knows for sure?
Instead he is doing all of the design work, and running the business/leading the shop etc.
Maybe someone in the know, knows for sure?
I've put in a few years working in a cue shop and install linen and leather myself. I've seen well known cuemakers do both and since I'm in the leather wraps business, I talk to lots the better USA cuemakers. My estimation is linen installation is roughly 15-20 minutes (one cuemaker I know is about 5 minutes if handle ready to go) minutes with linen cost $4 or less. Leather, depending on what leather it is, is 30 to 60 minutes or more. The cost of the leather at least 3-4x what linen is. This is for competent or better work with good quality materials. Evan uses first quality cue leather.
Good quality leather has always been and always will be an upgrade over linen. Leather is a value added item on a cue. To insinuate that Evan puts leather wrap on cues because he is cheap is incorrect, disrespectful and insulting. You and PDX can think and believe whatever you want though.
I agree.
I have watched experienced cuemakers install numerous linen wraps as well as leather wraps and the above estimates are what I have witnessed. In fact, the first time I observed the installation of a linen wrap, I was stunned how fast it went.
Agreed. Had my Schon rewrapped in linen while I waited at the shop and it didn't take more than 15 minutes probably and they did a perfect job. Of course I'm sure Schon has that process down to a science, but still, it's not difficult for an xoerinced maker. Leather is definitely tougher I think....but I don't like it. If I could get a linen wrap Segen I'd probably try one but since it's leather only I'm not so sure. Need to stop by and check o all the leather options.
MalibuMike
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Try Tiger Products stacked Leather Wraps on your Schon!
Try Tiger Products stacked Leather Wraps on your Schon!
I did and I love the results! They can color match it do any cue, if mine look too busy they can tone it down.
Check them out! The feel is awesome hard like linen yet smooth like leather!
Try Tiger Products stacked Leather Wraps on your Schon!
I did and I love the results! They can color match it do any cue, if mine look too busy they can tone it down.
Check them out! The feel is awesome hard like linen yet smooth like leather!
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MalibuMike
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I trust Evan Clarke! Schon's have always been awesome!
I trust Evan Clarke! Schon's have always been awesome!
And I think Evan came up with my favorite design, the "Dog-Bone or Bowtie" STL-15 cue! it's a stunning cue!
3 Schon STL-15's (Red, Green And Gray Stain)
Playing Shafts: Tiger Pro-X or BD360-2 (forget The OB "Plus" its junk, they went the way of Predator!) Jacoby and Mezz make a good LD, it would be interesting if Schon started making LD shafts, but why fix it if it ain't broken!
Break Shaft: Mezz Deep Impact Pro (ash) it fits right on to my Schon Gry Stain!
I trust Evan Clarke! Schon's have always been awesome!
And I think Evan came up with my favorite design, the "Dog-Bone or Bowtie" STL-15 cue! it's a stunning cue!
3 Schon STL-15's (Red, Green And Gray Stain)
Playing Shafts: Tiger Pro-X or BD360-2 (forget The OB "Plus" its junk, they went the way of Predator!) Jacoby and Mezz make a good LD, it would be interesting if Schon started making LD shafts, but why fix it if it ain't broken!
Break Shaft: Mezz Deep Impact Pro (ash) it fits right on to my Schon Gry Stain!
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All these questions and perhaps misconceptions could be easily answered if you simply called Evan and asked him. He would be happy to talk with you and explain why he is doing what he is doing, his philosophy of sharp pointed forearms, coring, wraps, cue hit, etc...believe me he wants people to call him. To the best of my knowledge, there are 2 people in the shop besides Evan. In my opinion and I believe he will agree, he has more time and is better organized that he can be more available to customers as compared to working at Schon (by the way which he still owns a small percentage of.)
By the way, I have always been a Schon fan, but I like sharp pointed cues too. And some of the current designs are not my taste, but now that I have had the opportunity to meet Evan a few times, talk with him, see what he is doing with his new company from the beginning, I have become an Evan fan. The man is a wealth of knowledge and I want to see him succeed. All his designs are a limited run and will be numbered according to when they were made such as S1, S2, etc. And the uniques will be one offs. It will be easier for him to track what cues he made. I am asking him to make me a Segen version of the black widow with the exception of having tradition colored veneers (inlays I guess.) So, when you see those for sale in a limited run, you know whose idea it was
By the way, I have always been a Schon fan, but I like sharp pointed cues too. And some of the current designs are not my taste, but now that I have had the opportunity to meet Evan a few times, talk with him, see what he is doing with his new company from the beginning, I have become an Evan fan. The man is a wealth of knowledge and I want to see him succeed. All his designs are a limited run and will be numbered according to when they were made such as S1, S2, etc. And the uniques will be one offs. It will be easier for him to track what cues he made. I am asking him to make me a Segen version of the black widow with the exception of having tradition colored veneers (inlays I guess.) So, when you see those for sale in a limited run, you know whose idea it was
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