Controllable Eye Dominance

Wow, I haven't read the entire thread and I don't think its a good idea to either.

I wonder how many pro players dissected their game to this level. I understand trying to understand all facets. I do it too. But this may be the first time I see a benefit to being blind in my right eye, I shoot rt handed too.

This whole thing kinda reminds me of one of my best ways to shark someone at golf. First tee I ask the opponent to show me how they grip the club. I tell them I'm not sure if I should be doing it this way or that. I've dissected my grip, I know exactly how I do it. Many have not and their mind is on their hands all day, making micro adjustments and they will get to a point if they let it where by the end of the day they don't know how to grip it lol :grin-devilish:

I know my stance and I know where my eye goes in that stance. I do drills of rt and left cuts to make sure I'm seeing things the same each way. Most importantly I routinely do drills to make sure I hit the cue ball straight.
 
Pidge said:
Eye dominance doesn't matter for some. Like me, it doesn't seem to help if I have my dominant left eye over the cue, or sighting with it above the line of aim. I sight with the imaginary line of aim going directly through the centre of my eyes, and cue with the cue in the same position. For others, probably most people this isn't the case and understanding which eye is dominant and how dominant will make them sight and cue with it under that eye and will produce the best results. But for me, having the cue under my left eye in the most "dominant" position and having the cue under my eye causes me to cue horribly. I get a warped sense of the direction I'm pulling the cue back. Although I'm pulling back perfectly straight it likes like I'm pulling back diagonally and causes me to try correct a perfectly good pull back on the delivery.

A person's eyes are almost as unique as their fingerprints. No one can definitively say you are wrong or you are right on this subject. No one can see exactly how another person sees.
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How do I quote you & put it in another thread?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I can when I'm doing the pointing test (in fact, I can make the offline finger appear and disappear at will), and it's partly based on how easy and sure that is that I came to believe I can do it while aiming - but I'm not so sure any more about doing it while aiming.

Since posting this thread I've been paying even closer attention, and think it may just seem to me like I'm doing it while aiming, although I'm not certain either way yet - it's a slippery perception. I'm guessing it's harder to do from above than sighting along the thing being pointed.

Anyway, even if it's an illusion, it's been a helpful one so far - worth working on some more, I think.

pj
chgo
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Keep us posted on the results of your experiments. I'm definitely interested.
 
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FranCrimi said:
I tried it. You can go into a stare and make yourself see double vision, but I don't think you can truly block out the view from the dominant eye unless you close it.
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Fran,

Not long after my hooking up with Gene, I went down to shoot a shot & then got an image of what I can only describe as in describable.

I just keep it & rather quickly stroked the shot & pocketed the ball, even though I did see it go into the pocket.

Like you say what is practical is of the most importance to an individual.

Gene helped me with an issue that seemed to pop up from out of no where seemingly overnight although I know it may have taken a bot longer.

What he did for me worked... for me & I think it's rather like he says. The numbers regarding him & what he teaches should be a descent indicator that it can help many if not all.

Practical application.:thumbup2:

You Stay & Shoot Well as YOU know how to do & how to teach.

Best Wishes,
Rick
 
genomachino said:
... It's kind of funny. I only recall a few players in 6 years that didn't understand how this worked when taught. Those were in the first couple of years.

Can anyone come up with anyone that said anything negative about Perfect Aim.

With the 1,000s of lessons you would think there would be hundreds popping up if it didn't work.

Think about it?
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Hi Gene,

I thank you again for the help that you voluntarily gave to me when you read of my issues.

Get & Stay Well. You've been in my Prayers on many occasions.
Rick
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Yeah, that thinking stuff hurts if you're not used to it!

pj
chgo
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Well, I get you thinking while your playing your gonna lose. Lol :-)

Same pj, haven't been on here in quite awhile...ur still being an ass I see.

Hey pj, how do you place your feet in a normal shot? Some people like the back foot pointed at 3:00, some more like 2-2:30. Your front foot, straight on the line or about 12:30?
 
a comment about time....

strmanglr scott said:
Well, I get you thinking while your playing your gonna lose. Lol :-)

Same pj, haven't been on here in quite awhile...ur still being an ass I see.

Hey pj, how do you place your feet in a normal shot? Some people like the back foot pointed at 3:00, some more like 2-2:30. Your front foot, straight on the line or about 12:30?
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Do you have to be able to tell time, to answer your question..?
 
Patrick Johnson said:
And you're (still?) acting like you're allergic to knowledge. Wonder if the two are connected...

pj
chgo
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There's knowledge here? Lol relevant knowledge I mean? No, really jk.

You started this crap pj. If your come backs are similar to your pool game I understand why ur looking under every pebble for help.

I didn't mean any disrespect in my original post but your lack of self confidence obviously makes you feel threatened easy.

Attack and be attacked.
 
FranCrimi said:
Well, I disagree, Dave. What you are suggesting is theory and not practical.

Knowing which eye is pulling in the information first, regardless of accuracy, is hugely important. You can try to change all you want, but the physically dominant eye will continually try to take over.

I think you're approaching it backwards. First understand what the dominant eye is seeing and then adjust your aim accordingly. This way, you aren't always fighting what's most natural. Eventually those adjustments that you make consciously with your cue under your dominant eye will become second nature.

The severity of the dominance can be taken into account, which will help the player in cue placement under the eye.
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You can learn to supress the dominant eye but you would have to be VERY deliberate to keep it from crossing into the sight picture because it is faster and it will be more precise in picking the right point on the object ball and in being able to stay focused...

Not only does the dominant eye process faster but it sees more shading differences in colors than the recessive so it gets more information about the round surface of the object ball because of the lights and shadows...

The ability to see more shades is a pretty useful skill when you are trying to pick a spot and remain focused on it thru the shot sequence which is why I agree that learning to keep the dominant eye in a dominant position is majorly important... It makes sense that it would remove variables associated with eye fatigue or blood sugar levels in some players as well since those things can cause problems with convergence....

Chris
 
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FranCrimi said:
I have found many times in this forum that one of the problems in discussing eye dominance is in the different definitions of a dominant eye.

Here's the definition of a physically dominant eye: The physically dominant eye has more nerves that go straight back to the brain as opposed to the recessive eye, which has more nerves that extend diagonally to the brain. The brain receives the information quicker from the eye with the nerves that go straight back --- shortest distance between two points.

The only way to change a physically dominant eye is in childhood where these nerves are still developing.

The other definition of dominant eye is more obtuse, which involves training an eye through exercise to be stronger and closer to equal with the dominant eye. While it can get stronger, it will never be the dominant eye in an adult. It's physically impossible unless there is a pathology like blindness in one eye.

Depending on the physical nerve configuration, some people have a severely dominant eye and some --- not so dominant. Players like myself, with a severely dominant eye, have to be careful not to let the cue drift too far outside the eye. It can happen very easily because the eye is so strong (not necessarily the better eye visually, but the stronger eye in sending the image to the brain). When the cue drifts too far outside the eye, it can cause a distorted view of where the center of the cue ball is.

If the cue placement falls outside the dominant eye, severely right-eye dominant people may see the left side of the cb as center ball. And the opposite holds true for those with severely dominant left eyes.
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Great posting-
Hope you re fine Fran :-)


Ingo
 
mristea said:
The main issue caused by the non-dominant eye is, from my experience, that many times the non-dominant eye takes control in exactly one of the critical moments in your shooting routine - the moment when you fix your bridge hand.

If the non-dominant eye dictates where your V in the bridge is placed, the shot is doomed right from the beginning - it gets you out of alignment.

Try this - when getting down and fixing your bridge, close your dominant eye right before placing the bridge, and see how the cue is aligned totally wrong if you place your bridge with the information given by the non-dominant eye.

So...we need to find a way to limit the influence of the non-dominant eye especially when we are transitioning down from standing position to getting down for placing the bridge hand. More about this later, only if anyone is really interested :-)
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I'm interested.

I did a two page write up on this very subject.

The write up is in Word. Its about 700 words long. I don't know how to post a Word doc.

Thanks :)

John
 
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My main difficulty in proper sighting, was always shots with the bridge. I'd absolutely butcher them. Then, I started making every shot that required the bridge, even the very thin hits along the rail. I'd line the shot up like I always do and then close my left eye. From there I could see I was about to hit 1/4" of the ball and not the edge. I'd adjust my aim with the left eye closed and make every shot. Smooth stroke and follow through is important. Trusting what your eye sees is the key.
 
One Pocket John said:
Okay, here we go.

Have fun and keep an open mind. It worked for me, I hope it works for you. :)

John
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Hi John,

Thanks for posting that, not for me, but for others.

I'm not sure about how generic the toes thing is, as bodies are different but the point of getting the body in proper position is generic.

Gene of Perfect Aim says that the straight out 'thumb' type test can be correct or not & is hence unreliable for shooting pool.

He had me determine what eye sees the line properly with the balls on the table much like you suggest.

I was shocked to find that for pool I am left eye 'dominant' because with all of the the straight out tests I am right eye dominant. We are never looking straight down the cue as our eyes are above it all of the time even if our chin is on the cue.

Thanks again for posting that to help others.

Best Wishes & Be & Stay Well.
 
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