JB vs Lou - Let's Get It On

[JB Cases]

John could ask for weight or anything else but it certainly wouldn't mean it was reasonable or to be taken seriously. If two guys who claim similar skill and high runs play a short set with a relatively close score, and afterwards the loser still claims that he is the better player who should have won but just dogged it on a fluke and will win the next time, I don't think anybody would think that weight was in line for the next match up and that is exactly the case here.

So the guy that gave in on everything last time should be the one to give in on everything this time too? I don't think anybody who isn't biased sees it that way unless weight were in order and that just isn't the case here based on a single short set that wasn't a blow out. The way it works is a give and take. You picked last time, I pick this time. You picked this, I pick that.

As far as it not mattering to Lou much financially this time, that is assuming he doesn't get more of his own action than last time. But even if he doesn't, for some guys (admittedly very few) it matters even more that they win for and protect the investment of their backer than if it were their own money. I could see Lou possibly being one of those guys. And for some people the pride is more important than the money (although at this level of money again it is probably very few). I don't propose to know exactly how much this match would matter to Lou and why, but I do know it it is possible for it to still matter a lot even with a backer, and possibly even more than it does to the guy betting his own in some cases.

Once again Lou laid out the terms last time and didn't give in on hardly anything.

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[Poolplaya9]

Once again Lou laid out the terms last time and didn't give in on hardly anything.

You required and dictated the location (out of state for your opponent), the free live streaming so the world could watch the match, and the amount of the bet. Definitely the biggest things if not all of the things. What all did Lou dictate that you had to give in to without compromise?

 

[JB Cases]

John could've just as easily asked for weight. Instead, he asked for home field advantage (but on a diamond, not a gaffe table) and a $20K bet. Essentially, all Lou has to do to claim his prize is go to Oklahoma for 3 days. How hard is that.

I'll add this, though... I finally understand why winning that much money is no big deal to Lou. Because he'll be risking none of his own and stands to win only a few grand. So let's be clear about it. Lou isn't gambling. He didn't gamble last time and wouldn't be doing so this time either. It won't really matter much to Lou, financially, win or lose. If he loses, he gives up some bragging rights, that's all. If he wins, he'll get paid an appearance fee. Either way, he's not gambling. That's John's department.

That is precisely how I feel about it.

And any one who can make a phone call would easily find out that playing in Jamaica Joe's isn't home field advantage. I have won exactly $100 by winning one race to 3 on the big tables there. Otherwise in one pocket I am down against every person in okc who has played me there, including the guy I managed to win that one race to three from.



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[JB Cases]

You required and dictated the location (out of state for your opponent), the specific table to be used, the free live streaming so the world could watch the match, and the amount of the bet. Definitely the biggest things if not all of the things. What all did Lou dictate that you had to give in to without compromise?

No, I gave him several choices based on shows I would doing. He already agreed to that previously. I had to travel around the world and that wasn't any advantage to me.

Lou played mind games over the streaming. The match was always going to be steamed and it was always going to be free.

The table was a gold crown set up to the specifications Lou wanted.

Lou said play for $10,000. We played for the agreed on $10,000. I offered four times to double the bet with the ONLY condition being we had freeze up all the money prior to starting the match.

I think you really need to step back from your hatred of me and go read the original thread and you will see that I am right.



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[lfigueroa]

Are they boxing ?

:grin:

My recollection is that last go around someone did a Photoshopped B&W of that exact poster. It was very cool.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Poolplaya9]

No, I gave him several choices based on shows I would doing. He already agreed to that previously. I had to travel around the world and that wasn't any advantage to me.

Lou played mind games over the streaming. The match was always going to be steamed and it was always going to be free.

The table was a gold crown set up to the specifications Lou wanted.

Lou said play for $10,000. We played for the agreed on $10,000. I offered four times to double the bet with the ONLY condition being we had freeze up all the money prior to starting the match.

I think you really need to step back from your hatred of me and go read the original thread and you will see that I am right.

You didn't really say anything different than I did.

Lou gave in to traveling out of state to you as you wanted.

Lou gave in to streaming the match as you wanted.

I stand corrected on the specific table as Lou apparently had some input there.

You said you would play up to 30k. Lou brought 25k to bet. You would only bet 10k. Since you ended up playing for only 10k you got your way on that one too.

95% of the mind games came from you.

I don't hate you at all. I do however hate dishonesty, delusion, and game playing, and will sometimes call people on it.

The location, the streaming, and the amount you ended up playing for were because Lou gave in to what you wanted. I will ask you again, aside from the input on the table, what all did you give in to Lou on that he dictated? You said he didn't hardly give in on anything (as if the out of state location, the stakes, and the streaming are not "anything"), so what all did you give in to him on? Please name them. If you are right you are right, maybe I forgot and will be the first one to say you are right if you are, but I can't think of them. What were they?

 

[lfigueroa]

Once again Lou laid out the terms last time and didn't give in on hardly anything.

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Bull

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Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

No, I gave him several choices based on shows I would doing. He already agreed to that previously. I had to travel around the world and that wasn't any advantage to me.

Lou played mind games over the streaming. The match was always going to be steamed and it was always going to be free.

The table was a gold crown set up to the specifications Lou wanted.

Lou said play for $10,000. We played for the agreed on $10,000. I offered four times to double the bet with the ONLY condition being we had freeze up all the money prior to starting the match.

I think you really need to step back from your hatred of me and go read the original thread and you will see that I am right.



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I only specified the table because at the time we had no Diamonds around STL.

I thought we'd play on one of the GCs at Sandcastle but you were so ate up about playing in the Accu-Stats Arena you paid to have a GC moved into the Arena and paid Pat Fleming to stream it so that the memory of my beat down would be "forever seared into your memory."

Probably cost you another $1,000. Way to go, Einstein, lol.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Teacherman]

The facts.

Can someone handle the facts?

I detect phoney.

 

[JB Cases]

I only specified the table because at the time we had no Diamonds around STL.

I thought we'd play on one of the GCs at Sandcastle but you were so ate up about playing in the Accu-Stats Arena you paid to have a GC moved into the Arena and paid Pat Fleming to stream it so that the memory of my beat down would be "forever seared into your memory."

Probably cost you another $1,000. Way to go, Einstein, lol.

Lou Figueroa

Lou you knew the match would be streamed. I spoke about the arena several times.

Look pal, you have two days to decide if you want this money or not. Work on your fear and stop living in the past.

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[jackpot]

Is there really a stakehorse ?

I am still puzzled. If Lou really has a stake horse then it has to be a pride
deal. Why else if you beat someone and they want to double the bet
and YOU'RE GETTING STAKED would you not play. Lou can make $10,000
for a few days playing, and he won't play ? John has shown a lot of gamble.
If he would have asked for a ball he wouldn't have been out of line at all.
The only thing that seems to help john is the 10 ahead. I wonder if Lou
would have said that's too long for me at my age lets play something a
little shorter and you've got action. I think John would have done it. But
he tells him he can come to his place and he will give him a chance to get
even. So John would have to play on Lous home court with only a chance
to get even. So john would be adjusting backwards.
jack
Free SJD

 

[JB Cases]

You didn't really say anything different than I did.

Lou gave in to traveling out of state to you as you wanted.

Lou gave in to streaming the match as you wanted.

I stand corrected on the specific table as Lou apparently had some input there.

You said you would play up to 30k. Lou brought 25k to bet. You would only bet 10k. Since you ended up playing for only 10k you got your way on that one too.

95% of the mind games came from you.

I don't hate you at all. I do however hate dishonesty, delusion, and game playing, and will sometimes call people on it.

The location, the streaming, and the amount you ended up playing for were because Lou gave in to what you wanted. I will ask you again, aside from the input on the table, what all did you give in to Lou on that he dictated? You said he didn't hardly give in on anything (as if the out of state location, the stakes, and the streaming are not "anything"), so what all did you give in to him on? Please name them. If you are right you are right, maybe I forgot and will be the first one to say you are right if you are, but I can't think of them. What were they?

Again Lou made the challenge and dictated the terms.

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[JB Cases]

Bull

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Lou Figueroa

Post the very first post.

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[Kickin' Chicken]

Starting Point:

John, do you really want to play?

Lou, do you really want to play?

Are you both willing to be *reasonably* flexible/accommodating with each other in order to make this rematch happen?

If we can get past these basics then we should be able to have action.

If not . . .

best,
brian kc

 

[JB Cases]

Starting Point:

John, do you really want to play?

Lou, do you really want to play?

Are you both willing to be *reasonably* flexible/accommodating with each other in order to make this rematch happen?

If we can get past these basics then we should be able to have action.

If not . . .

best,
brian kc

I am increasingly unwilling.

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[lfigueroa]

Lou you knew the match would be streamed. I spoke about the arena several times.

Look pal, you have two days to decide if you want this money or not. Work on your fear and stop living in the past.

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Yes, I knew the match might be streamed... by Big Truck. I even spoke to him about it. But then you switched gears and insisted it be in the Accu-Stats arena. We even had a dispute about that and took it to Mike for a ruling and I lost.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

Gentlemen; please, more of this:

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

and less this:

 

[lfigueroa]

I am still puzzled. If Lou really has a stake horse then it has to be a pride
deal. Why else if you beat someone and they want to double the bet
and YOU'RE GETTING STAKED would you not play. Lou can make $10,000
for a few days playing, and he won't play ? John has shown a lot of gamble.
If he would have asked for a ball he wouldn't have been out of line at all.
The only thing that seems to help john is the 10 ahead. I wonder if Lou
would have said that's too long for me at my age lets play something a
little shorter and you've got action. I think John would have done it. But
he tells him he can come to his place and he will give him a chance to get
even. So John would have to play on Lous home court with only a chance
to get even. So john would be adjusting backwards.
jack
Free SJD

Trust me. It is not about the money. If you could peek at my texts, PMs, emails, or listen into my phone calls from the last week you would know that.

But I will not go to John after my crew and I flew out to New Jersey last time.

Lou Figueroa

 

[lfigueroa]

Again Lou made the challenge and dictated the terms.

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Baloney. I was willing to work with you. Here's another screen shot.

Lou Figueroa