Metal joints...hmmm...haven't met a metal joint I liked yet.
Do people only buy Black Boar cues to sell them on AZ?
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Metal joints...hmmm...haven't met a metal joint I liked yet.
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This is very true , it doesn't make sense because the cues you see for sale are not from "flippers". They are from people who either have the right to sell their cue, or just want to upgrade because they see the new cues as well as technology change and they need to get their money back to get a new one not every one is wealthy and guys invest in BB. Or a guy that just may have a change of mind.
There is no list, Tony and Donnie decide if they wil make a cue for you. They always do as they say it's a no BS operation. Funds up front and delivery on time. They build trust with their clients not enemies which is why many buy from them. It is a status symbol too just like another poster said comparing Rolex to Timex. Some guys and girls like that stuff. But in the end Tony will go down as a cue maker no one could touch an the greatest in the world. Some will agree to disagree but no one yet has beat their work or "original designs no copies". They spend days weeks months sometimes countless hours on original cad cam drawings to design a cue. That time is money. Everything is made in house down to the rubber bumper. Precious metals are obtained and cut to precision. At the end of the day there are many who can afford it and do so, there are many who can afford it but refuse to spend that much, and there are those who can't afford it. But just like in any sport or hobby like it or not there's the low end, the middle or close to top, and the top. Just like in cars people are like I would never spend $300k+ on a Ferrari ? But there any many who do. It's all what someone wants and desires. As long as there is a market, wealth, investor or someone who works hard that can, there will be fine items in every sport or hobby.
1-3 months for a African Blackwood cue is common depending on their work load because one is always in development. Big 8point cues are 3-8 months depending on work load but some cues take way longer.
Tony and Donnie are making 8-10 African Blackwood cues a year on average and Tony now wishes to only make 3 fancy 8 point cues a year, he prob won't be making basic or semi fancy 8points any longer. His 8pt cues will start at $20,0000.00 and go to six figures. The African Blackwood cues are starting around $12k with a great design fancier than any cues in the past and go up from there to the $18k.
There are many here that are use to rare lists, getting a cue for $5k and flipping for $10-11-12-13k. Some never get a cue and a maker has a list the size of a dictionary in his shop???. But at the end of the day these cue makers are great, imagine if they said F this list I'm making a cue for who the hell I want. Increased their pricing to close the gap on flipping but still allowing some room for their client to be safe on their investment. It will send the flipper packing, if someone did flip they can score a little, but it would separate a guy who is loyal and really wants that makers work or cue from someone who just wants the money. People can say it won't be rare no more?? So be it, business is business it worked for them for over 30 years but their product is at the top of the game
There are many on here that are use to cue makers who get hundreds to thousands for their cues and as soon as you drive it out the shop just like a car it's worth 50-75% less than what ya paid. It doesn't matter if your getting buried with you new cue but at the end of the day a hard working American likes to be safe in a few thousand dollar investment but that's ok too if you like that.
There a are a few that are happy with a few hundred dollar cue and don't care one way or another and that's cool too. No matter what way you chose pool is great and all cues are art and people should focus on that.
Thing is I hear no one on here asking how Ernie at Gina cue charges so much, or Bob Manzino, or Tonkin etc with the exception of Ernie prob it's because they cater from lower priced cues up to big money cues so all levels of cue lovers can get one if they wish. Tony doesn't do it, is his choice, because he has nothing below a certain price point and keep production to a strict minimum. He's had people beg him to make BB sneaky Petes and pay $3500-5000 just so they can get his work for less and he refuses.
Hope some of that helps maybe good luck
This is very true , it doesn't make sense because the cues you see for sale are not from "flippers". They are from people who either have the right to sell their cue, or just want to upgrade because they see the new cues as well as technology change and they need to get their money back to get a new one not every one is wealthy and guys invest in BB. Or a guy that just may have a change of mind.
There is no list, Tony and Donnie decide if they wil make a cue for you. They always do as they say it's a no BS operation. Funds up front and delivery on time. They build trust with their clients not enemies which is why many buy from them. It is a status symbol too just like another poster said comparing Rolex to Timex. Some guys and girls like that stuff. But in the end Tony will go down as a cue maker no one could touch an the greatest in the world. Some will agree to disagree but no one yet has beat their work or "original designs no copies". They spend days weeks months sometimes countless hours on original cad cam drawings to design a cue. That time is money. Everything is made in house down to the rubber bumper. Precious metals are obtained and cut to precision. At the end of the day there are many who can afford it and do so, there are many who can afford it but refuse to spend that much, and there are those who can't afford it. But just like in any sport or hobby like it or not there's the low end, the middle or close to top, and the top. Just like in cars people are like I would never spend $300k+ on a Ferrari ? But there any many who do. It's all what someone wants and desires. As long as there is a market, wealth, investor or someone who works hard that can, there will be fine items in every sport or hobby.
1-3 months for a African Blackwood cue is common depending on their work load because one is always in development. Big 8point cues are 3-8 months depending on work load but some cues take way longer.
Tony and Donnie are making 8-10 African Blackwood cues a year on average and Tony now wishes to only make 3 fancy 8 point cues a year, he prob won't be making basic or semi fancy 8points any longer. His 8pt cues will start at $20,0000.00 and go to six figures. The African Blackwood cues are starting around $12k with a great design fancier than any cues in the past and go up from there to the $18k.
There are many here that are use to rare lists, getting a cue for $5k and flipping for $10-11-12-13k. Some never get a cue and a maker has a list the size of a dictionary in his shop???. But at the end of the day these cue makers are great, imagine if they said F this list I'm making a cue for who the hell I want. Increased their pricing to close the gap on flipping but still allowing some room for their client to be safe on their investment. It will send the flipper packing, if someone did flip they can score a little, but it would separate a guy who is loyal and really wants that makers work or cue from someone who just wants the money. People can say it won't be rare no more?? So be it, business is business it worked for them for over 30 years but their product is at the top of the game
There are many on here that are use to cue makers who get hundreds to thousands for their cues and as soon as you drive it out the shop just like a car it's worth 50-75% less than what ya paid. It doesn't matter if your getting buried with you new cue but at the end of the day a hard working American likes to be safe in a few thousand dollar investment but that's ok too if you like that.
There a are a few that are happy with a few hundred dollar cue and don't care one way or another and that's cool too. No matter what way you chose pool is great and all cues are art and people should focus on that.
Thing is I hear no one on here asking how Ernie at Gina cue charges so much, or Bob Manzino, or Tonkin etc with the exception of Ernie prob it's because they cater from lower priced cues up to big money cues so all levels of cue lovers can get one if they wish. Tony doesn't do it, is his choice, because he has nothing below a certain price point and keep production to a strict minimum. He's had people beg him to make BB sneaky Petes and pay $3500-5000 just so they can get his work for less and he refuses.
Hope some of that helps maybe good luck
Hey Thomas
The only thing I can say is if you don't like stainless steel because the looks sometimes looks aren't important it's playability. If you don't like the hit try other makers cues from the ones you used. Joints vary in cues from maker to maker because of construction of the cue, weights, materials used Etc. It all has to flow together
With Tony's construction of his players cue, issuing African Blackwood which contains various valuable properties in wood working and playability I have give ya a book to read on it it's interesting and crazy more makers don't use it, with Tony's ferrule less low deflection shafts, stainless steel joint, and slight parabolic tapered handle it makes for one of the best playing cues today and def the finest out of his shop. Many swear by it. If your into BB this is important to many.
Tony has built that cue using stainless / ivory over stainless/ solid ivory joints, ivory ferrules and ferrule less shafts, and his standard handle vs the parabolic and has allowed very strong players to test them and the verdict is what is listed above it just is what's good in that cue, sure they all hit good but that's the best. It's not to say that best on another makers cue, it's best on the black wood cues at BB to many. He will build ya what ya want but in the end sometimes taking good advice is worth it
The only thing I can say is if you don't like stainless steel because the looks sometimes looks aren't important it's playability. If you don't like the hit try other makers cues from the ones you used. Joints vary in cues from maker to maker because of construction of the cue, weights, materials used Etc. It all has to flow together
With Tony's construction of his players cue, issuing African Blackwood which contains various valuable properties in wood working and playability I have give ya a book to read on it it's interesting and crazy more makers don't use it, with Tony's ferrule less low deflection shafts, stainless steel joint, and slight parabolic tapered handle it makes for one of the best playing cues today and def the finest out of his shop. Many swear by it. If your into BB this is important to many.
Tony has built that cue using stainless / ivory over stainless/ solid ivory joints, ivory ferrules and ferrule less shafts, and his standard handle vs the parabolic and has allowed very strong players to test them and the verdict is what is listed above it just is what's good in that cue, sure they all hit good but that's the best. It's not to say that best on another makers cue, it's best on the black wood cues at BB to many. He will build ya what ya want but in the end sometimes taking good advice is worth it
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Lol been wood to wood fan my self for years still am! Only ss joint i liked on a cue!
I'm curious why this one hasn't sold immediately?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Boar-Custom-Cue-/111802830666?hash=item1a07f7cf4a:g:TgwAAOSwI-BWJulr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Boar-Custom-Cue-/111802830666?hash=item1a07f7cf4a:g:TgwAAOSwI-BWJulr
That's easy Thomas
That's an easy answer Thomas,
First most collectors and BB Fans don't turn to eBay to buy 5 or 6,000.00 cues
Second even though it's thousands, but not for much more you can get a new one. So meaning if your gonna pay 6 save a few grand and get newer cue
Third that cue has had the butt sleeve replaced with new style version and new logo so a lot of people even though it's more sought after to me being new claim the cue isn't original anymore and it's an original 4pt cue 20 years old
Cheers
That's an easy answer Thomas,
First most collectors and BB Fans don't turn to eBay to buy 5 or 6,000.00 cues
Second even though it's thousands, but not for much more you can get a new one. So meaning if your gonna pay 6 save a few grand and get newer cue
Third that cue has had the butt sleeve replaced with new style version and new logo so a lot of people even though it's more sought after to me being new claim the cue isn't original anymore and it's an original 4pt cue 20 years old
Cheers
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20 years old, wow. Thanks!
Yup
Yup just gotta know what your looking at, the butt cap is new, logo new, wrap (if tony did it he hates elephant) and shafts new,
The butt 20+ years
Tony started making 4point cues in 80's retired them
Between 4&6 points he's done some players cues no points very few
Then went to 6point cues retired those
Then went to 8point cues, currently makes them and African Blackwood players cues which are currently made.
Check the link
http://www.blackboarcustomcues.com/build/default.asp?CTID=210&IID=
Cheers
Yup just gotta know what your looking at, the butt cap is new, logo new, wrap (if tony did it he hates elephant) and shafts new,
The butt 20+ years
Tony started making 4point cues in 80's retired them
Between 4&6 points he's done some players cues no points very few
Then went to 6point cues retired those
Then went to 8point cues, currently makes them and African Blackwood players cues which are currently made.
Check the link
http://www.blackboarcustomcues.com/build/default.asp?CTID=210&IID=
Cheers
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Do you really believe this has not already happened for some cuemakers? Shouldn’t it be that way for more of them?
I would MUCH rather pay the mark-up to the cuemaker and be able to have them build a cue to my specs and design than to pay the same group of flippers who commonly insert themselves as the middlemen and take the mark-ups. The most highly respected cuemakers are both artists and craftsmen. They deserve compensation for being the best.
I apologize if my post hijacks the OP's initial thread. You touched an important topic. IMO, Tony and Donnie deserve whatever they ask for their services. If they ask too much, there will not be enough work to keep the doors open. They seem to be doing well from what I can tell.
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lol what planet are you living on?
Banks
Banned
I've never been terribly impressed by most cues, custom or otherwise. Black Boars, otoh, are just awesome works of art and i couldn't fault someone for wanting them, nor for keeping them as an investment or not daring to play with them. Hoping to have one some day, but i wouldn't even think about taking it to the bar.. probably be a private residence thing only.
Got to see and hit with a BB for the first time today. It is fairly new and list for $11,500. the workmanship was flawless and I really liked the way it played. Not my style to have something like that. If I won the lottery and my first oil well came in. Don't think I would buy one, but I now understand why someone would!
Larry
Larry
Well bring in the area I have hit more than I can count , thier pretty consistent hitting ,, most Boar owners claim the best hitting cue ever ,, I think that's what they want to believe and if they think that way that's fine ,, several other owners of other cues claim the same thing ,,
But at the end of the day they are consistent hitting and fit finish is top of the line and the art work is what sets his cues apart from others ,
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A planet where every one has different likes and dislikes .. Where what feels good to one may not feel good to another. You should join us on that planet being aloud to have your own personal opinion is a wonderful thing lol
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I would agree with that. If you like black boars it is a cue I would trust buying on az without hitting with it first. They do have a consistent hit. It's just not a hit to my liking. Lol I would buy one to put in a case in my pool room. They do some amazing things that out truly a work of art.
There are many people that have this opinion of Tony's cues, very beautiful, play like crap. There are also those that love them and pay that money for a pool cue.
I remember sitting in a pool hall with Bob Frey about 10 years ago & Tony was there avidly watching 2 average players in a match. Bob asked him what he found so compelling about these players match. Tony replied that one of the players had just commissioned a cue with him & that he liked to watch a player play that he was about to make a cue for so he could tailor the cue to his style of play.
Bob and I just looked at each other, we had the decency to walk away a few feet before we busted out laughing.
you 2 just laughed at man of great intelligence because his cues play better than 4 POINTERS 20 years ago!! LOL BOB FRY HAS NOT BEEN OUT OF HOUSE IN 20 YEARS. 10 YEARS AGO 6 POINTER PLAYED GREAT! BOARS Always improving, not stuck doing same engineering to cue year after year. Tony strives for excellence in play-ability! Which are top of game now! Theirs the difference!
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