Do people only buy Black Boar cues to sell them on AZ?

How do you doubt it??? Laurie herself even said that's a factor. Besides most play good she said it's a cue that is easy to ship overseas because they don't contain ivory unless requested in her jps or ferrules. They have made a fancy cue for Fatboy and others with ivory points and or inlays but that's a rare occasion . In the end they sure aren't buying them to flip up because 90% of the Asian market are paying a mark up due to an 11-12 year waiting list. When they do luck out and buy spots, get on list, or broker a deal with a usa friend they know they have a cue they can make money off of in the Asian market which is paying dearly for them. In the end it goes under this thread well because it's a cue many flip due to a 11-12 year wait, unless grandfathered in you get 1 spot a year from her, and from the price paid for a sought after design meaning woods/rings/jps, you can make a pretty penny in the USA or Asian market

Why do I doubt it ? Because thiers lots of cue makers that will make cues without ivory in it ,,
Thiers a reason why thiers a waiting list ,, thier known as a great hitting cue with remarkable consistency from cue to cue and thier available

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Why do I doubt it ? Because thiers lots of cue makers that will make cues without ivory in it ,,
Thiers a reason why thiers a waiting list ,, thier known as a great hitting cue with remarkable consistency from cue to cue and thier available

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Agree as I said above besides that they hit good but ask yourself as there's a list because everyone floods them to flip them to make money because of the wait hoping to get a cue to turn profit on. But ask yourself why Cory Barnharts cues without ivory mostly go to Asia too no list ?

http://www.pccues.com/productslist.aspx?pageno=1&stock=2&CategoryID=88&selection=7

^^^ look all no inlays hummmmmmm^^^^

Ask Rick Phillippi why most of his cues go to Asian market too? There are so many USA custom cue makers that supply Asian markets without using ivory it make your head spin and the reason is money they pay more for our products and ivory free is risk free no list with Rick

Go to Luckys site I love cues from Japan and convert the currency and ask yourself why cues cost more there, ivory or no ivory ?

Asian market pays more and "most" USA makers prefer risk free shipments no ivory but some do get across
 
Yeah, SW popularity in Taiwan has nothing to do with ivory.

Even if they all had ivory in them, people would still try to find a way to get them. That's how much they love them over there.
 
Everyone def has an opinion and is entitled to it. That's what makes us human. I am not being rude when I say this or arguing just saying a good point. Just because I love BB and swear by them has no influence in this because I also love Mike Cochran , Scruggs , and Searing Cues. I have no intention to get anyone to like something they don't, or buy something or change their mind but to educate more on BB cues as questions are asked. But mainly if you are really that interested call Black Boar no one explains it better.

Knowing both cue makers, that's a great thing when tony started out and that's him today he has passion for pool and the player he wants them happy. Some People use to talk smack about his theories, but everyone respects them now that knows him and those theories. Now people are blown away by him and his pretty much he's the top cue maker in the world. The day someone produces something that tops his work I'll Be impressed sure some Coke close but there are many that say I can do that but we have yet to see it. One could call it funny but what's funny is Bob should have sat with him and learned something because they are friends, maybe he could produce a cue and for the money and excellence Tony brings today but then again maybe Bob didn't want too but I don't understand why any maker wouldn't want to . Tony's players are some of the most sought after best hitting cues out there. Matter of fact what's so funny is that Mike Cochran who worked for Tim Scruggs for ever making beautiful playing cues and then his own line of amazing cues was learning more from Tony before he died. Mike was going to leave Tims shop when it was appropriate to do so to work with Tony I think when a lease was up or something along them lines, he was loyal to Tim but saw what kinda cues Tony made and how they played, sure Mike saw better money but Mike knew the talent, excellence, & image. Mike never got that opportunity because he left us all way too soon. But when I hear stories about a lot of I didn't like the hit, not every time but most I ask what cue it was and someone says well this 4point cue (which I'll agree were hit or miss) and I'm like shhhhhhhhhhhhh try this people's eyes light up and say damnnnnnnnnnnn what a cue. Ten years ago Tony made 8pt cues and African Blackwood cues. I can't imagine they play like crap, but then again everyone likes a different hit. I respect that. With his new African Blackwood cues Tony has mastered playability for using that's woods properties , using a stainless steel joint 5/16x14, ferrule less shafts , and taking the handle to a thin yet manageable parabolic taper and along with his construction of said cue makes for an outstanding playing cue, also along with their inlays /art makes the most elegant looking cue on the market today. There's a book written I'll get the name which tells you all the outstanding things about African Blackwood and Tony saw this and knew it was one of the best playing woods on the planet. Tony is an engineer as well as a cue maker. He is always striving to make stuff better. After all he didn't round up a few of the best players and have them test hit his players cues using is slim handle, slight parabolic taper handle, stainless joint, ivory joint, ivory over stainless joint, ivory ferrules, then ferrule less low deflection shafts for nothing and these players can play and their stroke can do stuff most can't. At the end of the day all agree the African Blackwood with stainless steel joint ferrule less shafts slight parabolic taper handle is the nutz. Will another maker do that and get same results I don't know but it's what works for Tony.

Funny story I showed up years ago at SBE with an $8,000 African Blackwood cue. I let a few dealers, players, and friends of dealers which were players hit with this cue. The only thing was different was it had Tony's slim standard handle. Everyone was amazed. A dealer ended up buying the cue off me. But funny thing is because many were price shy everyone had to have his ferrule less shafts, people were like can he make one for a Scruggs, a searing, a Gina, and so on but the answer was no. But because of that many reached out and bought BB cues ranging from 8-40k. At the end of the day yes it's a lot of money, but money well spent to some for an iconic symbol of excellence. Just knowing what tony does by hand in house is interesting, Craig explains some of it on his own BB web site go check it out.

Just like a Rolex Submariner stainless with date retails $8110.00 people are like wtf would you buy that for that's crazy but when one has one it's a symbol of pride excellence and something that is made very very well. It's passed down to your kids,just like the most prized Black Boar should be. Some people don't like that kinda thing and that's ok.

Questions how did Gina Cue get his cues to the same price Tony did? He's the west coat Tony technically but with a totally different style. Do people say the play good yes, play like shit yes, love them yes, own and pay the price for them yes, say the price is crazy yes, but it's all to ones opinion which on the site or in person should be respected. It doesn't offend me at all I appreciate everyone's opinion some though is through lack of knowledge about the subject so they should reach out here for opinions but contact the source and when you can try one of you can find someone who plays their cue and not just collects it. Southwest kid on here Mike Z has some of the finest boars made. He got a new style fancy players cue from me and entered a big tournament over 2-3 days in FL placed 2nd and hasn't played as much as he liked, he wasn't far from 1st but in the end 1st is 1st 2nd is 2nd, but for that it goes to show he picked up a cue from BB new specs and it worked for him 110% must say something about the build and that's a great accomplishment. But at he end of the day lay Tony's cue next to any makers out and the work stands out, play with it and it will satisfy a pro player, is it a lot well that's in the pocket / heart/ bank of the buyer but you get what you pay for. I've noticed over the years when you put his cue in the hands of players with no stroke, or who can't play, or a player who can't tell you what a cue should be they don't care for his cues. Put it in the handle of a player and boom their eyes light up. Not saying anyone who don't like them can't play but when I've seen feedback statiscally it was from novice players.

Check Craig's site on out bb you get a few of your questions answered even though it's a dated site the rest can come from BB

http://blackboarcustomcues.com/guarantee/default.asp


At the end of the day how many of those pros who tested his cues for hit that you mention play with one or pay 8K for one? At the price point he's at the only people lining up are collectors, the $20 a cigar set who have the jingle. Tony's cues are catered to the carriage trade, not to players. It is what it is.
 
At the end of the day how many of those pros who tested his cues for hit that you mention play with one or pay 8K for one? At the price point he's at the only people lining up are collectors, the $20 a cigar set who have the jingle. Tony's cues are catered to the carriage trade, not to players. It is what it is.

Allen Hopkins used to play with Black Boar. I don't know for how many years, but he played quite a while with the same cue. Perhaps my observation is off-base, but it seems to me that the legendary cuemakers started by making great playing cues. The fancy style work gets added over time and eventually their cues become objects for collecting. But the playability of those cues was the foundation on which the cues developed reputations.
 
allen hopkins used to play with black boar. I don't know for how many years, but he played quite a while with the same cue. Perhaps my observation is off-base, but it seems to me that the legendary cuemakers started by making great playing cues. The fancy style work gets added over time and eventually their cues become objects for collecting. But the playability of those cues was the foundation on which the cues developed reputations.

fransico buste as well.& few current pros know of if had funds play boars in a heart beat! Seams many try one want a boar.
 
I get it

That's not true.
Taiwanese players play with SW because they think they play great.
SW was popular before ivory got banned for international shipping.

I get it I meant not to say Asians play with because like as in solely

But USA makers and many dealers and players alike know that's is a factor in buying them being ivory free. Sure many can smuggle cues with ivory in. But southwest with their hit and ivory free style plus list style rarity waiting 11-12 years makes it an easy decision

If you were in the USA and listen to most high end makers it's easier and more preferred to ship cues ivory free to Asia
 
at the end of the day how many of those pros who tested his cues for hit that you mention play with one or pay 8k for one? At the price point he's at the only people lining up are collectors, the $20 a cigar set who have the jingle. Tony's cues are catered to the carriage trade, not to players. It is what it is.

not all but people who are boar based have boars play and collect! Assure boars are great cues.
 
Perhaps my observation is off-base, but it seems to me that the legendary cuemakers started by making great playing cues. The fancy style work gets added over time and eventually their cues become objects for collecting. But the playability of those cues was the foundation on which the cues developed reputations.
I guess it depends on timeline. I've relayed the story in other threads how when Tony started making cues he was going to every pool hall in Md, DC & Va and trying to put them in the hands of the best players in those halls. The cues were beautiful then, they just didn't play well. Most declined as the deal was you had to play with it, some took them and played them awhile & then sold them. I wish I would have taken the one he offered me as it was so elaborately inlaid it would command a high price today.

Perhaps he got past that stage & his cues do play better now, but your assumption about the beginning here is off base.
 
not all but people who are boar based have boars play and collect! Assure boars are great cues.


Taste in cues, their looks, playability, is subjective, different people like different things. As long as you're happy with it that's wonderful.
 
Cue makers

Their no reason to hate on Frey or Tony. Bob has made so great playing cues over the years, and Tonys cues have be come better players as the years have past. All cue makers have different styles.
Any real pool player can play with any cue Tonys cues are not going to make you play 2 balls better. But it might give you a little more confidence playing with a high end cue.
One of my best runs was with a house cue at Bank Shot in Louisville Ky. so go figure o
I'm also a strong A player most days and have found that I played my best pool with sneakys.
Everyone has different taste in cues.
 
Taste in cues, their looks, playability, is subjective, different people like different things. As long as you're happy with it that's wonderful.

Agree 100%. BB's are gorgeous cues, nobody doubts that. I probably won't ever learn how they play because nobody I know would ever pay that price, including me. If owners of BB's love to play with them, that's awesome and a win/win for them and BB.

My original question was trying to figure out why somebody orders one, pays a lot of $..and I mean a LOT of $..then as soon as they get it, it shows up for sell on AZ. Prices are left out and the seller says stuff like "serious buyers only, call me for the price".
 
Allen Hopkins used to play with Black Boar. I don't know for how many years, but he played quite a while with the same cue. Perhaps my observation is off-base, but it seems to me that the legendary cuemakers started by making great playing cues. The fancy style work gets added over time and eventually their cues become objects for collecting. But the playability of those cues was the foundation on which the cues developed reputations.

A 4 pointer I believe

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Im sure we all agree

Their no reason to hate on Frey or Tony. Bob has made so great playing cues over the years, and Tonys cues have be come better players as the years have past. All cue makers have different styles.
Any real pool player can play with any cue Tonys cues are not going to make you play 2 balls better. But it might give you a little more confidence playing with a high end cue.
One of my best runs was with a house cue at Bank Shot in Louisville Ky. so go figure o
I'm also a strong A player most days and have found that I played my best pool with sneakys.
Everyone has different taste in cues.

I'm sure we all agree with you. No one hates on Bob. Bob has a market. Resale God forbid if you have to sell from a sales point is horrible. But what we touched on is the poster said him and Bob laughed at Tony making fun of him. Generally speaking Bob should have stuck it out with his venture on cues with Tony would have been a smart move but back then who knew, just like he should have stuck it out with Tim Scruggs. If I looked back and was Bob I would have said damn wish I did that is all but I also know Bob is happy doing what he does, but if Bob told you he wished he never got 20,30,40,40,60,70 & 80k for his cues he would be fibbing lol
 
Ok let's close this with your answer

Agree 100%. BB's are gorgeous cues, nobody doubts that. I probably won't ever learn how they play because nobody I know would ever pay that price, including me. If owners of BB's love to play with them, that's awesome and a win/win for them and BB.

My original question was trying to figure out why somebody orders one, pays a lot of $..and I mean a LOT of $..then as soon as they get it, it shows up for sell on AZ. Prices are left out and the seller says stuff like "serious buyers only, call me for the price".

The "average" person who is not wealthy orders a cue "pay a lot" as you say and I don't know why you say as soon as they get it but however if you see that so be it, shows up for sale is because the person who is not rich can't afford to have 2-3-4-5 BB cues laying around and invest 20-30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100k or more in cues. So they sell what they have and upgrade to a new one its that simple. Serious buyers and call for a price is so it stays private which most people request because they don't want everyone to know their business and same reason you ask for people to remove pics after they purchase a cue on here if pics are posted.

I myself sell Black Boar cues for some time & it's a spare hobby of mine and have been friends of Tony's for some time, which I'm lucky enough to do. I've prob sold 1-2 cues on here of mine, listed some for others, in the end 99.9% of my cues never have to be posted on here and sell privately by repeat customers or new customers word of mouth Etc

There you go your answer. But in the end it's their cue ask them when you see one then you can compile your case by case basis on why they do what they do
 
I guess it depends on timeline. I've relayed the story in other threads how when Tony started making cues he was going to every pool hall in Md, DC & Va and trying to put them in the hands of the best players in those halls. The cues were beautiful then, they just didn't play well. Most declined as the deal was you had to play with it, some took them and played them awhile & then sold them. I wish I would have taken the one he offered me as it was so elaborately inlaid it would command a high price today.

Perhaps he got past that stage & his cues do play better now, but your assumption about the beginning here is off base.

What's funny is you put a LD shaft on them his or another and they play like a total differant cue ,,by his own admittance his old shafts don't play very good


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What's funny is you put a LD shaft on them his or another and they play like a total differant cue ,,by his own admittance his old shafts don't play very good


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Also make the cue African Blackwood it's a pure mean playing machine

Don't know what Tony says but know that wood those shafts play better than anything I've used and I used them all
 
I dont know much about B/B cues, but years and years ago, they were pretty cheap and were regarded as a great playing cue.

I think B/B's focus has been to make much more artistic cues verses playing cues. That's okay, we all don't drive Chevy's either.

My only advice that I was given was to only look at the "new logo" cues as they are good movers on the market and that the "old logo" cues were slow movers. I am not sure if either is true, but that was the advice I was given from some dealers and friends that would know.

I personally think old Josswest cues are the most undervalued cues out there, but it appears that there are alot of folks who don't agree. My advice is if you can find an old JW logo cue that is NOT a "catalog" cue, give it a close review.

Your mileage may vary.

Best of rolls to all.

Ken
 
Your correct

I dont know much about B/B cues, but years and years ago, they were pretty cheap and were regarded as a great playing cue.

I think B/B's focus has been to make much more artistic cues verses playing cues. That's okay, we all don't drive Chevy's either.

My only advice that I was given was to only look at the "new logo" cues as they are good movers on the market and that the "old logo" cues were slow movers. I am not sure if either is true, but that was the advice I was given from some dealers and friends that would know.

I personally think old Josswest cues are the most undervalued cues out there, but it appears that there are alot of folks who don't agree. My advice is if you can find an old JW logo cue that is NOT a "catalog" cue, give it a close review.

Your mileage may vary.

Best of rolls to all.

Ken

Ken your exactly correct in logo information.
 
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