is jayson shaw overrated?

Teacherman said:
Either you aren't a C/C+ player....or you aren't very smart.
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APA 7 banger with a very successful pool gambling matchup history based on my 20 years of experience...but please pretend to act like you know me. I don't trap myself often.

I threw the C/C+ in there as just a meh line. I'm probably more of a B player...happy now?
 
jay helfert said:
Jayson may be the best shot maker in Pool today. That counts for something. He is also a favorite over most good players and a threat to beat anyone. Why don't you ask the other top players in the world how they feel about playing Jayson? I suspect you will find out he's not a good draw (not someone they want to play). IMO he is in the top fifty players in the world today and rising fast.
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The first time I saw Shaw was a couple years ago at a Joss event. Even then, your statement is true. He's a GREAT shotmaker but that doesn't explain everything about his game. Because of his shotmaking, he has the luxury of playing position routes that you don't often see.

Regarding the OP, I don't think anyone "overrates Shaw". He took 5th which is a fine performance only a world beater can do. Is he the best in the world? Top 3? Shit, we all know pool here and can argue top three all day long. I don't think pool has that Michael Jordan-type player right now. There are a dozen that could all be "the best" at any point in time and most on azb will agree Shaw is one of them.
 
Spimp13 said:
APA 7 banger with a very successful pool gambling matchup history based on my 20 years of experience...but please pretend to act like you know me. I don't trap myself often.

I threw the C/C+ in there as just a meh line. I'm probably more of a B player...happy now?
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I'm in that same level as you - top rankings in most leagues I played in. To put this in perspective, I played a guy one time that was really good - played at a top level for awhile here locally, until he decided there was no future in pool. He placed top 4 at Canadian championships, and beat Erik H a few times. I gambled with a guy that thought he could give me the 5 out, and I BBQ'd him. So, Mike (the very good player) said "I think you'd roast ME with that spot, but let's try it". He beat me 11-8. And he was no Jayson Shaw.

The 5 out against a top player isn't much of a spot, honestly. When the soft break and the Sardo were in use one year at Cardiff, there were a ton of 11-0 whitewashs.
 
Overrated? I don't know, what's he rated in the first place?

I do find it hilarious that someone says a guy is overrated and then says in the same thread that he would play him for 100k with a ton of weight.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I'm in that same level as you - top rankings in most leagues I played in. To put this in perspective, I played a guy one time that was really good - played at a top level for awhile here locally, until he decided there was no future in pool. He placed top 4 at Canadian championships, and beat Erik H a few times. I gambled with a guy that thought he could give me the 5 out, and I BBQ'd him. So, Mike (the very good player) said "I think you'd roast ME with that spot, but let's try it". He beat me 11-8. And he was no Jayson Shaw.

The 5 out against a top player isn't much of a spot, honestly. When the soft break and the Sardo were in use one year at Cardiff, there were a ton of 11-0 whitewashs.
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Shawn if I had a choice between the 5 out OR the 5 and the break I think it's a no brainer choosing the 5 and the break. My opponent can't put a pack on me and I control every game from the break aspect. Assuming I am controlling the cue ball and making at least 1 ball on most if not all breaks that is huge. I was getting more of a laugh based on OPs comments about the 100k and the spot changing etc.
 
When Jayson is nonchalantly one stroking and running out its scary.

....but I'll play him with the 5 and the snaps for a 100k

Disclaimer: I can put the 5 in the wing-ball position with the magic rack and it counts on the break.
 
one stroke said:
Ya and as soon as he met one he bit a piece of his ear off and still took a boxing lesson


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That was his THIRD loss. :D
He went out w/out an incident against Douglas and Holy.
Then that rematch with Holy. :grin:

Jayson Shaw is not overrated . There are just way too many monsters there now .
If you had a time machine and took him back to the 70's and 80's, he would have had a lot of titles on him.
 
JoeyInCali said:
If you had a time machine and took him back to the 70's and 80's, he would have had a lot of titles on him.
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Not with guys like Mike Sigel shooting a TPA of over .900 for an entire tournament. Shaw has too many lapses to fade that kind of consistency.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The first time I saw Shaw was a couple years ago at a Joss event. Even then, your statement is true. He's a GREAT shotmaker but that doesn't explain everything about his game. Because of his shotmaking, he has the luxury of playing position routes that you don't often see.

Regarding the OP, I don't think anyone "overrates Shaw". He took 5th which is a fine performance only a world beater can do. Is he the best in the world? Top 3? Shit, we all know pool here and can argue top three all day long. I don't think pool has that Michael Jordan-type player right now. There are a dozen that could all be "the best" at any point in time and most on azb will agree Shaw is one of them.
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thank you jude for an intelligent post
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I'm in that same level as you - top rankings in most leagues I played in. To put this in perspective, I played a guy one time that was really good - played at a top level for awhile here locally, until he decided there was no future in pool. He placed top 4 at Canadian championships, and beat Erik H a few times. I gambled with a guy that thought he could give me the 5 out, and I BBQ'd him. So, Mike (the very good player) said "I think you'd roast ME with that spot, but let's try it". He beat me 11-8. And he was no Jayson Shaw.

The 5 out against a top player isn't much of a spot, honestly. When the soft break and the Sardo were in use one year at Cardiff, there were a ton of 11-0 whitewashs.
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according to your own words here, you are a fish......we should play
 
JB Cases said:
Overrated? I don't know, what's he rated in the first place?

I do find it hilarious that someone says a guy is overrated and then says in the same thread that he would play him for 100k with a ton of weight.
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no sir he said jayson could rob me with the 5 out and I said I would play him for 100k with that weight....follow along little guy
 
poolplaya1976 said:
congrats you are my first ever on ignore list.....I don't deal with tard trolls.....say goodbye :wave2:
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Well at least you aren't a hypocrite...Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you, the OP.
 

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poolplaya1976 said:
no sir he said jayson could rob me with the 5 out and I said I would play him for 100k with that weight....follow along little guy
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Got it. Sorry, it's normal for people to think that knocking anons can't play. You're probably a world-beating hustler.

Probably some kind of underground champion that would rob his mother, the shining example of what's right with pool.

Jayson might rob you anyway. He has that sort of firepower to outrun the nuts. One thing is for sure......he is Jayson Shaw - not some anon knocker on a forum - he is out there doing his thing playing pro pool and supporting a new family through his skill on the table while some random anons on forums talk about him. He isn't talking about you but it instead traveling the world and taking scalps.

While anons sit around fantasizing about getting the five out from him while at the same time knocking his game Jayson is already headed to the next event.

Not bad for a kid in his twenties.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
people that post other posts like this define troll lmao
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Lol I am just about the complete opposite of a troll on this forum. Calling someone out for being a hypocrite doesn't make them a troll lmao. It's all good, I have no reason to respond to you anymore. Keep doing what you are doing OP and gl with your fake woofing on here.
 
poolplaya1976 said:
thank you jude for an intelligent post
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I live in New York. If there's one thing that's good for, I get the opportunity to play some of the world's best at our local tournaments. In tournament play alone, I've played US Open winners, World Champions, Hall of Famers and countless guys with reputations for having a big game. I played Shaw having never heard nor seen the guy play and I knew by the end of the set, he was special. That isn't to say I'm always right. When I first saw Zion Zwi, I under-estimated his game. I thought he was a shortstop on fire. Turns out, he's always on fire. I also thought Santos Sambajon was lucky when he won the World Summit of Pool back in 2004. Looking back, I feel pretty silly for thinking that.
 
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