Shape Route Nonmenclature Proposal

Kris_b1104 said:
Wow Sam Lambert is out practicing instead of soaking up all this information. How is he supposed to know what to call his shots now when his friends ask "what was that?!?!?!"

That was a triple Earl crosser quad, with 12.99mm tip and a black ferrule.

Drops mic.
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LOL!!!:thumbup:


pt109 said:
What kind of position shot is that?
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LOL again!!!:thumbup:

Show Satori the money if you want to learn that shot. Knowledge doesn't come for free. For every Satori book or DVD you buy, you get a Satori chalk remover for free and a Satori Premium aiming system installed in your brain.
 
Wow, I stopped installing Shockwave in my browsers in about 1998, and I don't intend on installing it now. I couldn't find another good pool table diagramming tool, so this is the best I could do.

Here's a common one that I couldn't identify exactly in your list. Pocket the 15 in corner pocket A, and then hit the rails at 1, 2, 3, & 4, stopping at the 5-ball.

It's low inside around the corner. Is it a version of the triple crown?

http://www.drawtable.com/4yBsqk9Gg
 
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BRussell said:
Wow, I stopped installing Shockwave in my browsers in about 1998, and I don't intend on installing it now. I couldn't find another good pool table diagramming tool, so this is the best I could do.

Here's a common one that I couldn't identify exactly in your list. Pocket the 15 in corner pocket A, and then hit the rails at 1, 2, 3, & 4, stopping at the 5-ball.

It's low inside around the corner. Is it a version of the triple crown?

http://www.drawtable.com/4yBsqk9Gg
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I'd call that a Crown Triple plus 1.
 
BRussell said:
I didn't like it at first. Then I started saying them in my head with an Australian accent, and it all came together.
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That's not position... Now THIS is position.

I like the diagrams but the naming of the shots remind me of Pool Killers where he tried to put pool into his own thing and put out a super funny pamphlet filled with a cross between bar rules and someone trying to explain quantum mechanics with 3rd grade level comprehension and vocabulary.
 
hang-the-9 said:
That's not position... Now THIS is position.

I like the diagrams but the naming of the shots remind me of Pool Killers where he tried to put pool into his own thing and put out a super funny pamphlet filled with a cross between bar rules and someone trying to explain quantum mechanics with 3rd grade level comprehension and vocabulary.
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What's Pool Killers? A movie? - Don't worry, re-read, sounds like a game someone made up.
 
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Snake Shot & Karate Chop

Here are 2 more multi-rail CB positional routes which have been named previously.

The first has been termed the Karate Chop, by Danny Diliberto. It may have other names. Please mention them if you've heard of them. It's the type of shot where spin on the CB makes it collide 2 or more times on the same rail or potentially on 2 adjacent side rails. This has been referred to as the Stay Shot in some UK circles.

Sometimes the effect crosses from side to end rail, as in a famous shot by Efren. In this case, it's technically just an end double, but one could term it the Karate Chop Efren Double.

The shot lower right, I found to have been termed either the Doubling the Rail or the Snake Shot in 3 Cushion/ Carom circles. I chose the Snake Shot terminology as I'm using the term Doubling as the verb of the Double around a corner pocket in a standard fashion.


Please let me know if any of you have heard of other names for positional routes mentioned here, or any other positional routes you can think of.

The only other type of terminology I have come across is 'Round the Angles' and 'Around the Table' which are very vague in describing a route.

One might include a 'Tickie' as a positional route, which requires playing rail to ball to the same rail and then on toward another OB or to a safe zone. It is also a term usually used in 3C.
 

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hang-the-9 said:
Don't know how you missed him/her/them, some of the funniest half-knowledge ever.

http://issuu.com/poolkillers81/docs/a_beginner_s_guide_to_8_ball_pool/1

Let me know at which point you start reading with your mouth open and head shaking.
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Wow, I learned to grab the cue behind the center of mass with my shooting hand. :eek:

No wonder my tip has been hitting me on the nose during feathering for corner hole shots.

Looks like the whole thing got translated into Chinese and back into English, as it seems to override most commonly accepted terminology and replace them with unheard of terms.

Yes, my terminology is a bit weird, but it's an attempt to come up with some names for categories of routes that don't appear to presently have names. A tad obscure, but such terms may be useful in certain descriptive and instructional situations.

I'll have to read more Killer Pool later on. Pool comedy gold!

Colin
 
(((Satori))) said:
Oh man, nothing pisses me off more than a Satori. Don't you feel the same way?
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I've perfected so many ways to scratch that a team of Colins couldn't name them all. :grin:

My other favorite is to play safe by banking the OB and locking the CB tight up against another ball. The only problem is that I ignored where the OB ball would go...and you guessed it, right into a pocket.
 
bdorman said:
I've perfected so many ways to scratch that a team of Colins couldn't name them all. :grin:

My other favorite is to play safe by banking the OB and locking the CB tight up against another ball. The only problem is that I ignored where the OB ball would go...and you guessed it, right into a pocket.
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I'm constantly astounded at how hard it is to bank an OB 3 or 4 rails, but try running the CB around the table and it's like the last pocket is the width of a rail.

And banks to safety have a peculiar knack of finding a pocket. :o
 
I think many of the shots above already have fine, descriptive names. Are you funning us, Colin?
 
Bob Jewett said:
I think many of the shots above already have fine, descriptive names. Are you funning us, Colin?
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Have been thinking about this Bob, and considering not one single reader has proffered an optional shot name for any shot presented, other than those I've already included, then it seems there is no abundance of well known descriptive terms for these shots, other than side rail to end rail to x to y and so on, which in my mind is poorly insufficient.

I'm not from the US and not part of 3C circles, so I expected to get some education here, but thus far, nothing but air. Anyone out there with any substance?

Colin
 
It seems silly to give these shots arbitrary names. If I were to name these shots they would be based on a rail numbering system so that any shot can be described and deciphered based on a system rather than having to memorize names like "karate chop Efren double" (or is that a "judo toss Earl twice please" ?). A "2-3-4" for example would be a three rail shape shot that hits three adjacent rails. A "2-5" would be a two rail shot that crosses the table horizontally and vertiacally. I suspect that many now understand this system-based nomenclature and could describe paths based on this two examples. Colin, I have always admired your posts, ideas, and enthusiasm but this idea is going nowhere IMO.

Dave
 
DaveK said:
It seems silly to give these shots arbitrary names. If I were to name these shots they would be based on a rail numbering system so that any shot can be described and deciphered based on a system rather than having to memorize names like "karate chop Efren double" (or is that a "judo toss Earl twice please" ?). A "2-3-4" for example would be a three rail shape shot that hits three adjacent rails. A "2-5" would be a two rail shot that crosses the table horizontally and vertiacally. I suspect that many now understand this system-based nomenclature and could describe paths based on this two examples. Colin, I have always admired your posts, ideas, and enthusiasm but this idea is going nowhere IMO.

Dave
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Always appreciate your input Dave!

That's pretty much how they do it in diving, but in gymnastics, various moves are named, often after a person than was well known for executing a particular move.

The problem I see with using a 2-5 type system is that it's essentially the same as 5-2, 3-6 and a 6-3, which I'd call a long crosser.

Such terms are not likely to be used much in standard games because players rarely play multi-rail positional shots. But I enjoy playing games where a minimum 2 rails must be hit each shot, and hence it becomes necessary to develop a familiarity with the various categories of multi-rail routes to position.

Cheers,
Colin
 
Colin Colenso said:
but in gymnastics, various moves are named, often after a person than was well known for executing a particular move.

Cheers,
Colin
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This made me realize that I do have names for certain shots....in memory of the person
that I associate it with.
14.1....my three main break shots are Mosconi, Greenleaf, and Diliberto.
I even have bridges that I learned from players when I was a kid.
 
pt109 said:
This made me realize that I do have names for certain shots....in memory of the person
that I associate it with.
14.1....my three main break shots are Mosconi, Greenleaf, and Diliberto.
I even have bridges that I learned from players when I was a kid.
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Efren's Z shot escape is a good example.

In our local league, a final was decided on a bank from end rail to side pocket. Whenever the same shot is made, usually a fluke, the shot is named after him, somewhat mockingly, as no one believes his claim that he actually played for it.
 
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