Get rid of jump cues for Mosconi Cup

[hang-the-9]

It's silly watching pro players use an amateur helper cue.

I'd like to know how the outcome would have been if the players were not jumping with short cues and making hits or pocketing balls due to that.

 

[WoodyMPW]

No side pockets!

 

[ChicagoJoe]

Get rid of chalk as well.

 

[poolguy4u]

:kma:



Instead of giving a silver medal...how about a small donkey's ass trophy....:yeah:

 

[hang-the-9]

Get rid of chalk as well.

That's usually the reply in the jump cues vs no jump cues argument LOL

Works as well as "I know you are but what am I'.

Not a single pro I have heard an interview with wants jump cues if given a choice. I don't think you'll hear them say the same for chalk.

 

[ChicagoJoe]

That's usually the reply in the jump cues vs no jump cues argument LOL

Works as well as "I know you are but what am I'.

Not a single pro I have heard an interview with wants jump cues if given a choice. I don't think you'll hear them say the same for chalk.

Probably similar to chalk when it was introduced.

 

[hang-the-9]

Probably similar to chalk when it was introduced.

Jump cues have been around for decades, if they were as accepted as chalk, they would have been by now. Chalk made pool better, jump cues make it worse. There are tours and tournaments that ban jump cues, no tournament bans chalk, or a bridge or anything else really. Only jump cues. And sometimes wearing your pants down to your knees and headphones along with jump cues. I don't care if you or anyone else uses a jump cue during league, a pro match should not be using such silliness. Learn to jump with a playing cue or kick.
Making a shot with a jump cue is about the same level of integrity and skill as crapping a ball in 3 rails after you missed it. Don't know how many times I see someone mess up position, hook themselves then jump with a short cue and make the hit. Yay, you messed up then used a gimmick cue to negate your mistake. Here is your participation trophy.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

It's silly watching pro players use an amateur helper cue.

I'd like to know how the outcome would have been if the players were not jumping with short cues and making hits or pocketing balls due to that.

Is there any particular jump shot you're complaining about in the matches, or just jump shots in general? Or is this yet another grasp at why Team USA lost?

 

[hang-the-9]

Is there any particular jump shot you're complaining about in the matches, or just jump shots in general? Or is this yet another grasp at why Team USA lost?

I don't care about jump shots, I don't think jump cues should be used. Too easy and take away from safety play and when players make a mistake. Jump all you want with the playing cue.

I also don't like cue extensions much either. Play position to reach the shot or use the bridge. There should be rules for cues same as for cueballs. You can't change the cueball for a smaller one to go through a gap if the regular cueball won't fit. WPA and BCA should set stands for cues, not too long, not too short, and you use your playing cue through the match, except to break so you don't damage your playing tip.

 

[sciarco]

I agree 100% on jump cues as far as I'm concerned they should be banned but that's just my opinion.

 

[Shannon.spronk]

I don't care about jump shots, I don't think jump cues should be used. Too easy and take away from safety play and when players make a mistake. Jump all you want with the playing cue.

I also don't like cue extensions much either. Play position to reach the shot or use the bridge. There should be rules for cues same as for cueballs. You can't change the cueball for a smaller one to go through a gap if the regular cueball won't fit. WPA and BCA should set stands for cues, not too long, not too short, and you use your playing cue through the match, except to break so you don't damage your playing tip.

I think jumping is a skill whether it be with a playing cue or a jump cue. I dont Matchroom banning them because it is exciting for the fans and that is really what the Mosconi is about. It is a production show.

As for extensions I could not disagree more. Before you ask yes I do play with an extension. I play with it on all the time. It makes my cue about 65.5 inches. I am a fairly big guy and it is just far more comfortable for me to play with the extension on. I typically do not like comparisons to golf, but I think it fits here. Should all golfers play with the same length driver or putter? The answer is no simply because people come in different sizes and that is exactly why I have no problem with extensions.

 

[Weber]

It's a shot that takes skill, and a good safety player can play defense that eliminates or drastically reduces the opportunity for a jump shot.

I'm more against a bridge or extension than jump cues.

 

[DirtyJersey]

It's funny I see a lot of people against jump cues on this forum and in different chats, but I haven't come across a player in tournaments that doesn't own and use a jump cue. Hell I've even witnessed the mighty Earl Strickland use a jump cue. You don't want to use 1 fine then don't but don't try to tell me I can't use 1. Learn to play tighter safeties.

 

[alstl]

It's silly watching pro players use an amateur helper cue.

I'd like to know how the outcome would have been if the players were not jumping with short cues and making hits or pocketing balls due to that.

I agree but for the casual fan who might watch on tv they probably think jump cues are cool since they can't relate to how to kick at a ball.

 

[hang-the-9]

It's funny I see a lot of people against jump cues on this forum and in different chats, but I haven't come across a player in tournaments that doesn't own and use a jump cue. Hell I've even witnessed the mighty Earl Strickland use a jump cue. You don't want to use 1 fine then don't but don't try to tell me I can't use 1. Learn to play tighter safeties.

The reason the other pros use them is because they would be at a disadvantage vs those that do use them. It's a matter of being competitive to the rest of the field.

You can't freeze up against a ball every safe, and those jump cue rods can jump from like an inch away from a ball anyway. That's the other argument those that like jump cues use, but it's about equally as unrealistic as getting rid of chalk.

I don't know why anyone wants to see pros hop over balls with very little skill required so much as to be for jump cues. Even the better players in leagues that I see are often against jump cues, they use them because others do.

 

[ceebee]

It's silly watching pro players use an amateur helper cue.

I'd like to know how the outcome would have been if the players were not jumping with short cues and making hits or pocketing balls due to that.

I like Jump Cues & you do see some magnificent escapes in the use of them.

Howsomever, I would vote to ban them. Maybe make them all highly decorative Tomato Stakes.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

I don't care about jump shots, I don't think jump cues should be used. Too easy and take away from safety play and when players make a mistake. Jump all you want with the playing cue.

I also don't like cue extensions much either. Play position to reach the shot or use the bridge. There should be rules for cues same as for cueballs. You can't change the cueball for a smaller one to go through a gap if the regular cueball won't fit. WPA and BCA should set stands for cues, not too long, not too short, and you use your playing cue through the match, except to break so you don't damage your playing tip.

Anything else? Ban low deflection shafts? Kamui chalk? Break cues? Racking templates? Adjustable bridge heads? The rake?

 

[hang-the-9]

I think jumping is a skill whether it be with a playing cue or a jump cue. I dont Matchroom banning them because it is exciting for the fans and that is really what the Mosconi is about. It is a production show.

As for extensions I could not disagree more. Before you ask yes I do play with an extension. I play with it on all the time. It makes my cue about 65.5 inches. I am a fairly big guy and it is just far more comfortable for me to play with the extension on. I typically do not like comparisons to golf, but I think it fits here. Should all golfers play with the same length driver or putter? The answer is no simply because people come in different sizes and that is exactly why I have no problem with extensions.

Longer cues for those with large wingspans are not what I was talking about, more of extending a cue to make playing a shot easier. While I'd love to take the reach advantage tall people have that is a bit silly LOL. Me being 5' 6" I don't like playing those that can reach across table easier than me, but oh well LOL

The thing is that your equipment should not give you such a clear advantage over the game or layout of the table, but your skill at using it should. There is of course no way you can take away an advantage that a tall person has over a shorter one to reach shots and limiting them to like a 60" max cue may cause them to be cramped in their ability to hit the ball properly, but there should be some limits to keep equipment from winning for you.

 

[BRussell]

We hardcore pool fans would prefer to see three-rail kicks, but put yourself in the perspective of a casual fan who likes to see exciting shots. The highlight reel and "best shots" videos of the Mosconi will include a good number of jump shots, because they're fun to watch.

And they don't even come up that often, and when they do, they're not successful more than about half the time.

Jeez, if it was up to us the Mosconi Cup would be a one-pocket race to 100.

 

[hang-the-9]

Anything else? Ban low deflection shafts? Kamui chalk? Break cues? Racking templates? Adjustable bridge heads? The rake?

If it takes away from the game, then yes. None of those do. There is nothing else that makes a hard shot easy like a jump cue does. And once again, the only thing that pro players are just about unanimous about OK to remove from the game is the jump cue. With maybe the magic rack type things being a distant second.

There is a very simple test you can do to see if something is too easy. Hand it to a 12 yr old. My son when he got a jump cue at 12 (maybe 13) was able to jump a full ball on his 3rd try. That's really all the reason I should need as to why jump cues should not be used in pro events.