Some added perspective for my 5 shot video

Excellent Video

lfigueroa said:
Spider = Dave Segal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh7NlyAmsE4
Lou Figueroa
no, no
don't thank me
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I don't care if the guy is Dave Segal, Tommy Tucker, Don Willis, or Billy Johnson reincarnated.
He's shooting good enough to beat NINETY% of the people in any pool room and that includes you as well.
On the other hand, I only need to beat FIFTY% of the people in any pool room to cultivate a very nice customer list, service the accounts well, and have them all love me. 2-3 poolroom gigs in a city is all that is required. Those provide me with a great satisfactory part time job.
As for those "pool playing red hots". I've got a nice notebook of spots they can give up (for a while until they wake up) that will handle the occasional encounter with one of them.
Once a guy acquires a totally reliable, repeatable, system of making balls and getting pretty good position, the rest is all about money management and people management.
I'm astonished at all the guys (who post a lot) who reveal they have never learned this from hanging around pool rooms all their lives. It's basic to being profitable at pool.
In one of those Paul Newman pool shooting movies years ago, I seem to recall him saying something like this to Tom Cruise......maybe not, hell I don't remember exactly.
Hope this lecture doesn't offend you...I know you have a short fuse.
Flash.
 
My first post was a non post.

I have made only 2 posts of any length & wiped the first out due to a memory error.

The second one was spurred on by being called a liar regarding the first & to make the point of the first where I made my memory error or MISTAKE.

I agree that there should be an area for those that want to discuss HOW to use "IT".

I would think that that area to learn HOW to use it would be the DVDs themselves along with contacting Stan by some means for any additional help resulting from any confusion that one might garner from the DVDs.

I've tried to open 2 threads just for that purpose that were basically killed by the advocates.

I've suggested a possible sub forum here just for that purpose. Others have had their own sub forum under their name that are basically no longer being used. Why can't Stan have his own for the purpose of 'teaching'?

The issues come up when the teaching stops & the promoting starts. That's when others take issue because of certain descriptions & subsequent related claims.

If those declarative promoting descriptions & associated claims did not come up, then much of, if not all of, the Hub Bub & subsequent personal 'attacks' would all but go away, I think.

Anyway, this post was to 'defend' myself & to make the point that threads in the 'main' Aiming Forum will almost always 'go off' do the reasons I stated.

In a way, I agree with what Beiber Jon said in his thread regarding what he suggested that Stan do.

Either that or ask AZB for his own place here in a sub sub forum for the specific purpose of answering questions to help better learn the HOW of "IT".

Best Wishes to ALL during this Season.
 
It isn't just this thread but every thread you get involved in. One post will then turn into the highest number of any other individual in the thread by FAR. And then pity the poor soul who is on the receiving end of your PM's.

The best solution was what Wilson originally required...you stay the hell out of anything and everything involving CTE or threads you didn't start.

(I guess this means you'll have to post again to counter it or give another absurd explanation. Maybe 3 or 4 more posts)
 
SpiderWebComm said:
If you don't want to use CTE and think it's a waste of time, no problem. Don't use it and STAY THE HELL OUT!!

Let those who DO USE IT and want to learn more of the technique discuss it without all the damn misinformation and constant interference.

It's only another aiming system for Christ sake!! Just think how easy it will be for you to wipe them out if you ever have to play against them in a tournament or gambling.
It would be to your benefit to PROMOTE THE SYSTEM for your own good!
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I agree 100%.

I don't know CTE, but I know how to aim and I never knock anything that people claim works for them. Even if it doesn't work for them and they thinks it does is of no concern to me either.
 
GoldenFlash said:
Mr. Barton.
I'd like your opinion on something I've noticed on those 0 angle straight in shots.
If I get lazy, after learning CTE, and then on a straight in, I choose to aim in the old fashioned way of "that looks good".....the shot is prone to miss more.
I believe this is because the brain has been conditioned to execute precisely and using anything other than CTE is fighting against what it has absorbed...resulting in a brain malfunction which is transmitted to the body....resulting in a miss.
I find that by coming into that straight in with a 15degree perception and then pivoting into the OB at center, those balls drill the back of the pocket like they came out of a cannon.
What is your comment on this?
Thank you sir.
Regards,
Flash
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I fully agree. I use CTE or 90/90 for just about every shot. Although on straight in shots I will generally shoot the cueball to the pocket instead of focusing on the object ball.

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GoldenFlash said:
Mr. Barton.
I'd like your opinion on something I've noticed on those 0 angle straight in shots.
If I get lazy, after learning CTE, and then on a straight in, I choose to aim in the old fashioned way of "that looks good".....the shot is prone to miss more.
I believe this is because the brain has been conditioned to execute precisely and using anything other than CTE is fighting against what it has absorbed...resulting in a brain malfunction which is transmitted to the body....resulting in a miss.
I find that by coming into that straight in with a 15degree perception and then pivoting into the OB at center, those balls drill the back of the pocket like they came out of a cannon.
What is your comment on this?
Thank you sir.
Regards,
Flash
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Straight in shots must be understood. Manual CTE can get one's cue properly across their vision center for sighting. The process Is no different for zero angle shots.

A person must decide: To aim by looking directly down their cue or By playing with their cue across their vision center which is optimal for ALL shots in CTE.

Even for the CTE user it is easy to get trapped into conventional aiming alignments of center to center for straight in type shots.

Manual CTE is how to learn to get the cue properly across your strongest line of sight.

In conventional aiming, a player tries to use one visual alignment.

In CTE, 2 visual alignments are learned and used.....even for straight in shots.

Stan Shuffett

** I will be detailing every aspect of this.
 
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as someone who's new to this debate I'm glad you posted that...very thought provoking. This is more a random thought in response to the above about using CTE for a straight in shot.

I look at a straight in shot and try to line it up straight at the ball and make a straight stroke. I don't feel the need to analyze it when I miss - it's clear that I just didn't perform the shot as I intended. It's not a complicated or confusing feeling when that happens.

A player for whom "2 visual alignments are learned and used.....even for straight in shots" clearly is not seeing or feeling what I am. For whatever reason they don't just see the line - they are pointed in the wrong direction and need some kind of alignment change or stroke adjustment to get them on the right track.

My background is in golf, which is extremely complicated and pretty much impossible to play at a competitive level if you don't start as a child. When you putt the ball, you are standing 5-6 feet above the ball, making a semi-pendulum stroke to deliver the ball along a perpendicular line across uneven ground. By contrast the pool stroke and aiming is very simple - yet clearly people have a lot of trouble getting lined up correctly and delivering a straight stroke.

The avid, long-term bad golfer who doesn't improve is easy to understand. I have more trouble understanding the avid bad pool player but am coming around to the thought that some people just don't see the lines properly and need to trick themselves into getting into the right position.
 
Its not that cte users can't see the center to center straight in shot. By using cte to arrive at center to center IME gives me more consistent results. Which is why i wanted to try it in the first place.

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skip100 said:
...am coming around to the thought that some people just don't see the lines properly and need to trick themselves into getting into the right position.
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Another possibility is that effectively engaging the subconscious in the aiming process, although essential, is not easy for everybody - so the prospect of "totally conscious" aiming can be attractive, maybe enough to warrant a little suspension of disbelief...?

pj
chgo
 
SpiderWebComm said:
More like Dan White, Pat Johnson, Lou, (list goes on) who aren't anywhere close to playing at pro level except for being KEYBOARD PROS and say it sucks when they actually suck at pool themselves.

Poser
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I don't see to many people saying as much negative sh!t towards anyone like you do.
Is it just cte threads or you just a bully a$$ baby?:D
 
Thanks for the message from The Boss...

stan shuffett said:
Straight in shots must be understood. Manual CTE can get one's cue properly across their vision center for sighting. The process Is no different for zero angle shots.
A person must decide: To aim by looking directly down their cue or By playing with their cue across their vision center which is optimal for ALL shots in CTE.
Even for the CTE user it is easy to get trapped into conventional aiming alignments of center to center for straight in type shots.
Manual CTE is how to learn to get the cue properly across your strongest line of sight.
In conventional aiming, a player tries to use one visual alignment.
In CTE, 2 visual alignments are learned and used.....even for straight in shots.
Stan Shuffett
** I will be detailing every aspect of this.
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Thank you, Stan.
If the ball goes in the pocket using CTE aiming, then the shooter was "doing it right"...otherwise it's going to miss. A miss, means the shooter wasn't doing it right or had a stroke or stance malfunction.
I knew I was doing it right...your instructions have become easier and easier to follow and put into practice. The more I study and put them to use at the table, the better things get for me.
I mentioned at the start of my studies that I am a slow learner, but once it clicks into place, it's an easy ride from there.
"CTE rules......others drool."
Regards,
Flash
 
Isn't the very base of the cue ball and object ball the center ( on straight-in shot ) ?
I've seen countless pros aim straight in shots that way.
 
8pack said:
I don't see to many people saying as much negative sh!t towards anyone like you do.

You certainly say as much negative sh!t towards CTE and those who use and teach it as anyone does.

Is it just cte threads or you just a bully a$$ baby?
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I like to bully people who think they're super tough guys like you.
You are a tough guy, correct?

Since you're such a know it all Tony, why have you never posted a step by step process of how you aim and exactly what you're seeing to link up a shot. Don't you think that would be positive and beneficial or do you like playing the role of a dbag?

Or another possibility is stay the hell out of the threads if you think it's garbage. I guess it never occurred to you, huh? Do you also hang out in gay bars if you aren't gay or go to Islamic Mosques if you aren't Muslim like you do in CTE threads but hate CTE?
 
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skip100 said:
My background is in golf, which is extremely complicated and pretty much impossible to play at a competitive level if you don't start as a child. When you putt the ball, you are standing 5-6 feet above the ball, making a semi-pendulum stroke to deliver the ball along a perpendicular line across uneven ground. By contrast the pool stroke and aiming is very simple - yet clearly people have a lot of trouble getting lined up correctly and delivering a straight stroke.
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The pool stroke and aiming is simple?

How much more difficult do you think putting would be if you had to line up and strike another golf ball into your primary ball to knock it into the cup instead of just the putter head into the ball?

If any and all pool players could just use their cue to strike the OB into a pocket without that confounded white ball first, nobody would ever miss.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Another possibility is that effectively engaging the subconscious in the aiming process, although essential, is not easy for everybody - so the prospect of "totally conscious" aiming can be attractive, maybe enough to warrant a little suspension of disbelief...?

pj
chgo
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The effortlessness of ripping one ball after another into pockets to run racks while in deadstroke whether using subconscious or the unconscious mind with no aiming or thought is the ultimate state to be in. It's to be enjoyed while it lasts. Unfortunately it comes and goes and goes more than it comes.

Then what? Buddhist chants to get back into the zone or just start aiming again? Ain't ever seen a Monk pro pool player although there was one who wrote books and gave instructions.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
The effortlessness of ripping one ball after another into pockets to run racks while in deadstroke whether using subconscious or the unconscious mind with no aiming or thought is the ultimate state to be in. It's to be enjoyed while it lasts. Unfortunately it comes and goes and goes more than it comes.

Then what? Buddhist chants to get back into the zone or just start aiming again? Ain't ever seen a Monk pro pool player although there was one who wrote books and gave instructions.
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You underestimate the role of the subconscious in aiming - it's essential whether or not you're in the zone.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
By what you say, obviously.

pj <- when you're not foaming at the mouth
chgo
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What you say is what I judge you on also. So when you describe in great detail how you use contact point aiming and attempt linking the contact point of the OB with the contact point on the CB and then go into your lizard head wrenching in all directions, it sure doesn't sound like you're using one iota of the subconscious mind.

Straight out of the mouth and CONSCIOUS MIND of Pat Johnson: "We've talked about this a few times. I prefer to sight down the
contact point-to-contact point line, but that puts my head in different positions over the stick depending on the shot and can be physically difficult for cue ball contact points "outside" the stick, so I adjust it for comfort and consistency. I also like to move my head back and forth to sight down more than one of the available
lines, including cue ball path, just for cross reference (I might look a little like a lizard doing this). I like to know that my stick is pointing where I want it to, but "sight down the stick" doesn't work by itself for me."

And that's not even factoring in all the rest of the computations for squirt, spin, swerve, and hitting the CB on the exact spot at contact. You're so calculating and contrived the subconscious mind is something you only read about in books but never tap.

Your new recruit, Dan "rabid dog" White is the one who foams at the mouth from anti-CTE rabies like you've done for two decades. He has some catching up to do.

I could care less what you do or use on the table but you're the one who goes nutzoid when a CTE post or thread comes up. Get over it. It's here to stay and grow.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I like to bully people who think they're super tough guys like you.
You are a tough guy, correct?

Since you're such a know it all Tony, why have you never posted a step by step process of how you aim and exactly what you're seeing to link up a shot. Don't you think that would be positive and beneficial or do you like playing the role of a dbag?

Or another possibility is stay the hell out of the threads if you think it's garbage. I guess it never occurred to you, huh? Do you also hang out in gay bars if you aren't gay or go to Islamic Mosques if you aren't Muslim like you do in CTE threads but hate CTE?
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You're probably a little smarter then you come off here,but I'm betting your still a big baby in real life....grow up would ya.:)
 
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