https://youtu.be/sDMhbcOGSkk?t=95
https://youtu.be/vc4KuL81wDg?t=78
There's a reason why Efren is considered the best player of all time. If kicking was easier, Corey would have kicked.
Get rid of jump cues for Mosconi Cup
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https://youtu.be/sDMhbcOGSkk?t=95
https://youtu.be/vc4KuL81wDg?t=78
There's a reason why Efren is considered the best player of all time. If kicking was easier, Corey would have kicked.
Efren would have missed than on a Diamond table b/c it straightens out after the second rail.
Efren hates the jump cue . He flat out told be at the Bike, those stuff should be illegal . That was the first tournament I saw him use a jumper . They banned them in the PBT tournaments . You were allowed two full cues.
But, things have changed.
The phenolic tip was outlawed by BCA one time.
I can soak an elk master in epoxy and it will be almost as hard as phenolic.
At one time, the cue tip rule specifically said "compressible material", and referenced leather. After the Bunjee and Sledgehammer came out, and the WPA was petitioned, they changed the rules to accommodate the tip. Now it reads "pliable" material. I have no clue in which world phenolic is considered "pliable". Even chemically treated leather isn't pliable. Pliable = easily bent; flexible. So, how phenolic or treated leather meets that specification boggles my mind. Apparently, it slides in under the loophole of "not damaging the cueball", I guess?
Tell any C player where to aim to make that kick, and they will at least hit the 1 ball.
Give any C player the world's greatest jump cue, and they aren't ever making that 6 ball.
I guess you have no clue how much english he had to play on that kick, huh?
You're hilarious
And then there are those who look for the ones who are impressed and ask ,, you want to play some ?
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I need to patent/trademark a "sarcasm" font.
In the first instance unless Efren is a very skilled jumper the kick is the right shot. Despite the crowded table the path is natural.
For Corey's shot the kick wasn't the right shot. The jump is the ONLY shot which offered a chance to make the ball in that situation.
The crowd in both situations appreciates the skill and bravery of the shooters.
The equiptment since modern pool as we know it has changed very little in that time span
other than jump cues
A change of this magnitude in basketball would be lowering the rim to 8 ft or making the rim the size of a garbage can ,
How many packages are extended by jump cues ,, or let's say someone beats 526 but had a jump shot to extend the run ,
Would the record still count
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I guess you have no clue how much english he had to play on that kick, huh?
You're hilarious
How much was it? Tell us please.
I don't even know why you bother to continue framing this as a kicking vs. jumping debate.
once again, the jump cue is a legal cue. It's part of the game now, get over it.
Now players have more shots available to them, all the kicks that are possible, all the masse' shots that are possible AND all the jump shots that are possible.
How you can have a problem with that is hard to imagine.
You're very wrong about this. I mentioned several things above which have changed dramatically.
No.
Rules change. And, if there is a sufficient hue and cry, jump cues will get rightfully banned.
From the looks of the general sentiment in this thread, I believe we are moving in the right direction. The time is ripe to ban the pogo sticks.
Lou Figueroa
No JB you have not you brought up mace cues , never used in modern games nor were cues with no chalk ,, since the era of 14-1 8 ball and 9 ball thier as been no changes to the equiptment that has dramatily changed the art of pocketing balls period
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When you have Shane the best player now and Earl and Efen best players of past plus a whole slew of other pro's who think they should be banned it should carry some weight
The problem is the WPA formed by Asians and Euro's looking for a edge it's hard to combat until the Americans have a unified voice ,, it's sad that the ones with the voice are running what was the American show , I liken this to America calling the shots for FIFA
Maybe they can start telling us how to tie our shoes
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Yep. APA no JUMP cues allowed. At least the APA got something right. Now, if they can tweak a few more of the dumb rules, I'll be a fuggin APA amabassador, no charge :grin-square:
You play a 2 or 3 rail lock up safe and out comes the jump cue. They dont know if they are going to make a good or bad hit, or cut the ball to the left or right. The bad part is when they nick the ball and hook you back to where you cant hit the ball.
They have to go.
They have to go.
Eh, you can make the same argument about chalk, or even tipped cues in the first place.
The way people talk about jump cues you would think players were firing in perfect jump shots left, right and centre. They're not. It's a shot that comes up one or twice a match (in a normal length set).
Pros ***** about jump cues because they think they have a kicking advantage over lesser players. It's the same reason they ***** about slop, or magic racks, or texas express rules, etc.. A great player disliking jump cues does not inherently mean they are bad for the game, as some here seem to be claiming.
My view is that fans like jump shots. Kids see a player execute a jump and want to learn how to do it. Both of those things are good. And both easily outweigh the "why should you be able to jump when you've hooked yourself?" argument, in my opinion.
The WPA was formed by the BCA and the EPBF.
The rules for the jump cue were created by the Texas Express Pool Tour and adopted by the BCA and subsequently by the WPA.
Both the BCA and the WPA debated the question of jump cues and allowed them under the specifications and rules that stand today and have stood for 20+ years.
Earl used a disguised "jump cue" for 20 years and uses a "normal" one now. Shane parrots Earl in all things. The jump cue has made both of them a lot of money over the years.
Pays to know your history.
First it's not a lock up safe if the ball can be jumped. for more than 20 years the standard for a lock up safe has been raised.
Secondly if someone using a jump cue (or kicking) doesn't know if they are going to make a good hit or a bad hit or which side of the ball they are going to hit then they aren't very good anyway and you shouldn't be worried about it.
If they do get lucky and get out of your poor safety and lock you up where you can't hit the ball then you now know what a lock-up safety is and should practice playing them.