Yes Bank Shots in laurel maryland which houses 130 + APA the host of the Tri and Reginals does not allow jump sticks and thier tables show it
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Get rid of jump cues for Mosconi Cup
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Yes Bank Shots in laurel maryland which houses 130 + APA the host of the Tri and Reginals does not allow jump sticks and thier tables show it
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Did I mention I worked in one and I have done tests that prove otherwise and I've proven it many times ,,
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No you didn't and I don't believe you. The difference between us is that you are some anon who can say anything they want on any subject with not one bit of responsibility to back it up.
I am not. I have to be accurate about my own experiences because there are many others who were there.
If you want to recreate your tests on a neutral table I will be happy to bet $5000 that you are wrong though.
If you try hard you can damage the cloth. If you jump properly there is zero damage to the cloth or any other part of the table. My $5000 to your $5000.
That way we don't need to be concerned with whatever we claim to have done in the past. Let's focus on claims made right now. I am pretty confident that I am right.
But think of the bonus you will get if I am not. You can shut me up, got $5000 of my money AND you can then present your evidence to all the rule making bodies and get jump cues banned forever. On the contrary though, if I am right....well let's not think about that.
Dude, your match with Lou proved that you losing a large sum of money does NOT shut you up. Quite the opposite, actually.
What's funny is you actualy believe the smut you put out , you already stated that a dirty table will cause it , do you vacuum the table after every game or match how clean how clean are tables after 8 ,10 , 12 hours of play
If I were you John I would not dare call out anyone's credibility after you lost yours
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:lol: I suspect the sign is older than you ... but not quite as old as chalk :grin-square:
Dave
Where do those little white spots that appear on the cloth immediately after a jump shot come from ?
Dave
Don't let the inexperience fool you. I'm older than you'd think.
Damn! Now I want an antique "No Jumping" sign for my home pool room. One more thing to add to the list.
No. Actually, the accusations have been flying from the "jumpers" that people who don't like jump cues simply don't like them because they can't use them very well. You have Shane saying get rid of the short cue. Efren hates them. Earl hates them. In the recent Bergman challenge to Boyes, he's asked for no jump cues.
Here's my problem with jump cues. Sometimes, a really good safety should EARN ball in hand. That's just a fact of the game. However, someone decided that we shouldn't reward decent safety play, so they made a jump cue that basically is a "get out of jail free" card. A safe can be made in such a way that kicking at the ball only allows a certain number of contact points on the object ball. The jump cue brings many more points of contact into play.
The great players will want the jump cue gone, because it evens the playing field for people that play a marginal kicking game, because they can mask their deficiencies in a game by investing about 2 hours and $100, and learning how to jump.
Equating jump cues to chalk and leather tips is comical. I can play with any leather tip, and make the same shots I could with a soft or hard leather tip. I may have to adjust to how they spin the ball, but I don't go from an APA 7 to an APA 2 because I switch from a Le Pro to a Moori S. The phenolic tip has no function other than to make the cueball jump, or to make a break shot slightly faster. For me, that is a "shot specific" product, and goes against the integrity and spirit of the game. As such, they should be ruled as illegal.
Do I like the short stick? I think it looks ridiculous. It's "Honey, I shrunk the cue". The minimum length of 40" for a cue serves what purpose? Is there a wall or pole at certain events that require using a shorty cue so that you don't bang the butt into the wall? Are players incredibly short, and need something that short to play?
Argue "innovation" all you want. There is no other sport I can think of that has a "shot specific" piece of equipment, aside from pool. You don't see players changing hockey sticks for slap shots. You don't see soccer players changing into their "bend it" shoes. Baseball players don't change bats while they're at the plate. I cannot think of one game/sport aside from pool that has a piece of shot specific equipment. At least the mace could be used for all shots. Chalk can be used on all pool shots. Leather tips can be used for all shots. The short abomination with the resin tip only does one thing well - make the cueball bounce over another ball. You can't run a rack with it. I could play the rack with my break cue, if I needed to. Shot specific products have no place in the "game" of pool. Artistic billiards - that's where they belong. Along with paper bag trick shots, jumps through the triangle, and any other putt putt creation that can be imagined.
Golf has shot specific equipment but it doesn't matter because this is NOT golf.
Why have extensions then? Why allow Shane and Earl to play with longer than "normal" cues, obviously they think they have some sort of advantage by using them.
You're completely wrong about not being able to run a rack with a phenolic tip. As I mentioned before, which you skipped over, I have played entire sets with the jump cue and entire sets with a phenolic tipped break cue. Maybe YOU can't do it but other people can.
Leather tips were invented to stop the wood from splitting. Chalk was invented to add spin. Jump cues were invented to make jumping easier. It's that simple.
All three of these things ENHANCED the game of pool. All three of them added a lot of great shots to the game. Shots which still have to be made by the shooter's ability but which, thanks to these items, are at least POSSIBLE.
A really good safety that EARNS ball in hand is one that cuts off all avenues. You want the game to DEVOLVE from where it is. A really good safety NOW freezes the cue ball and cuts off ALL paths to the object ball.
What was a good safety 30 years ago isn't any longer. By just about every measure making the game HARDER by making safeties tougher to play is something to be celebrated. In all other aspects so-called purists want the game to be tougher, bigger tables, tighter pockets but when it comes to safety play you want the easy way out.
If you hate the jump cue so much why did you own so many of them? Why did you design one for Falcon? (in as much as the designing wasn't just ripping off what others before you had already created)
I am just curious because it seems awfully hypocritical. As for why the 40" rule I guess you would have to ask Robin Adair or Randy Goetlicher as they were the ones who created that specification for the Texas Express rules.
I've watched you play pool with a leather tip and a full length cue. I wouldn't brag about your prowess running racks with a jump cue or your break cue...
The Falcon TNT cue....Jim Wych and Geoff White came to me with a drawing on a napkin. They had some ideas. They wanted a shaft made to a certain specification, and for me to add anything to it that I thought would help. So I made them the shaft, using their drawings, and their specs, with a few tweaks of my own. That was the birth of the TNT J/B cue. I received a coffee from Jim, and Falcon gave me 3 cues as a thank you. Huge financial restitution.....
I use jump cues because everyone else uses them. Which is probably why 90% of the pros use them. They're handicapping themselves because there's 2 guys in the field that love the midget stick, and the rules say they can be used. Safety play used to be prevalent in the game of 9 ball. You could see 5-6 safety shot exchanges. The cream rose to the top at the events. You saw the same names dominating pool. Even when the leather tipped jumpers had a limited use, you still saw Johnny Archer, Mike Sigel, Earl Strickland, etc, in the top spots of the events. Then, the phenolic tipped jump rod came out. Pool became Yahtzee. No repeating world champs. All these guys can run out. It was in those little safety and kicking battles that the elite players rose above their competitors. The jump stick basically poured gas on those skills, and lit them on fire. We see about 300% more jump shots per match than in the days before the "Bunjee style" jump cue. Jump cues had a limited use. Now, it's pretty much a staple in the game.
Your arguments basically sum up to "let's get rid of everything, and go back to maces". In effect, the jump cue IS a mace. A flat faced club. So, Johnny....you're the one playing in the dark ages. Some of us prefer a refined game designed for kings. You'd rather chug Miller Lite and watch Tractor pulls. To each their own.
So you think that the cream isn't at the top? It's all the jump cue's fault for who wins events?
Jump cues from the beginning had a SPECIFIC use. The same use they have today, to facilitate the JUMP SHOT.
To that end they perform perfectly as engineered. The skill of the shot however still lies with the player. The jump cue makes the shot possible but the player is the one who actually MAKES THE SHOT.
We never say, "he is pulling out his chalk to be able to draw the ball" because chalk is simply an accepted part of the game.
Maybe whatever you designed, was simply a flat-faced club but what I brought to the market, the Bunjee Jumper, was derived from cues developed by Hans Joerg Bertram and Franz Hauber, was a cue that can do EVERYTHING any other cue can do AND jump balls.
In my experience, and in my demonstrations, and in the forthcoming video, I show that the jump cue can be used to play with spin.
Meanwhile here a few shots that I did 15 years ago to illustrate the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i7kJFY1zyI&list=PLCDAE91F25C56ADDC
Maybe you shouldn't be bragging about designing a jump cue if all you did was build a prototype from specs given to you. On one hand you want to impress us with your inside industry experience by claiming to have designed a cue "for falcon" and on the other hand you want to tell us that anything an industry veteran who sold jump cues has to say on the subject is not valid.
Can't have it both ways Shawn. Actually you can't have it either way either.
Can't have it both ways Shawn. Actually you can't have it either way either.
Don't let the inexperience fool you. I'm older than you'd think.
Damn! Now I want an antique "No Jumping" sign for my home pool room. One more thing to add to the list.
Let me know if you need an antique Brunswick score board for your room, I have one like this for sale :
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-toys-games/s...rd/1126804422?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
Note that one is not mine. Mine does not have the wear on the chalk board but does have a couple of sliders replaced ... and it's cheaper :thumbup:
Dave
Sent you a PM but let's not tell people that scoreboard was classified under "toys and games' instead of "sports equipment" or there will likely an uproar. :wink:
And you shouldn't brag about making the best cases in the world, when you actually do nothing with regards to actually making a case, aside from getting your workers to build what you ask them to. Pot, kettle.
Your workers make great cases, though
I said it before and I'll say it again:
Mosconi Cup, allow jump cues and go to 2 shot foul/push out.
Mosconi Cup, allow jump cues and go to 2 shot foul/push out.
And you shouldn't brag about making the best cases in the world, when you actually do nothing with regards to actually making a case, aside from getting your workers to build what you ask them to. Pot, kettle.
Your workers make great cases, though
I always give credit to my team. You would be wrong though if you think I don't work on cases or have anything to do with them. Every single thing that makes a JB Case is something that I created and did first and THEN taught my staff how to do.
Very far from your attempted claim at designing a jump cue to boost your credibility while trying to use the same industry involvement to shred mine.
You're not in my league in this industry Shawn and likely never will be. If ever you do become an actual contributing member to the industry I will welcome you and give you credit when you have gained some experience. Until then you're an outsider looking in.