Do some shafts produce more spin draw and follow

[iusedtoberich]

The chalk mark never lies. That is your answer.

As to why the chalk mark is not where its supposed to be, player ability is #1, followed by player perception of where to hit due to a difference in shaft diameter or tip shape.

 

[Samir_Sinanovic]

What Meucci Cue & what were you using before? Is it a 'Power' Piston butt?

I play one day with a power piston butt & a red dot shaft & I liked it. My player has stainless joint.

What I found was that i could let my stroke out just a bit & I sort of liked that.

Meucci's hit softer for a number of reasons & one is the joint vs a stainless joint.

Also the ferrules are softer & have flex.

I guess it is like most things there is give & take.

Just for 'kicks' try turning the shaft with the dot to the side the nest time you want to draw it.

Best Wishes.

It's an Ultra Piston 1,for the looks it is 10 of 10,but for playability it is 5 of 10,ive never tryed red dot,and i doubt i would ever buy a Meucci product,also the vibrations are a big problem.When i play a shot with more power,or stroke the cue is literally shaking,never owned a cue with so much vibration,you can feel every vibration

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[Patrick Johnson]

I once had a pair of fraternal twins. One was made for pool with a pro taper and the other was made for carom with a wood pin, slightly shorter and a carom taper.

Doing the same shot, a masse' where the cue ball is supposed to double the rail all the way down and make a ball in the corner; I could barely get the cue ball to double the rail twice with the pool cue and with the carom cue I could get it to double the rail five or six times and make the ball in the corner.

I tried a lot of other power spin shots with this pair and the result was always that the carom cue was easier to use to spin the ball.

Both cues had Le Pro tips on them.

Also, with my P2 I could make a certain power draw/bend shot that I could not make consistently with any other cue I owned. With the P2 it was easy, I don't know why.

Aren't masse cues heavier than normal cues?

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

The chalk mark never lies. That is your answer.

Yup. Listen to the chalk.

pj
chgo

 

[ENGLISH!]

It's an Ultra Piston 1,for the looks it is 10 of 10,but for playability it is 5 of 10,ive never tryed red dot,and i doubt i would ever buy a Meucci product,also the vibrations are a big problem.When i play a shot with more power,or stroke the cue is literally shaking,never owned a cue with so much vibration,you can feel every vibration

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That is the cue I hit with but with the red dot & a OB Pro shafts.

The Power Piston cues are made the way they are for a reason that I think Bob got when testing different cues with the Black Dot.

The best Butt for less CB squirt reasons during those tests was an Adam Balabushka cue made by Helmstetter of Calloway Golf Fame.

I just happen to have one of those that is basically my player.

I've not hit with a Black Dot shaft so we would be comparing apples to oranges really.

But I liked the Butt with both the Red Dot & the OB Pro.

Maybe you should try a different shaft & see if it is the shaft or butt that you don't like or if it's both.

I'm not looking to spend a lot just for another cue but if I could get one like you have for the right price, I'd certainly consider getting one.

It is a good looking cue & the vaneers 'match' my Adam.

Try a different shaft if you have not done so already.

Best Wishes.

 

[JB Cases]

Aren't masse cues heavier than normal cues?

pj
chgo

Wasn't a masse cue. Was a normal carom cue. Just a set with both cues being made of the same woods and same decoration - one for pool with pool cue specs and the other a carom cue.

 

[jburkm002]

This was one example I had about," it's the Indian not the arrow". The draw shot. Not all cues draw the same. However, I am not sure. I have a Jacoby and could draw just fine with it. I added weight using weight bolts. Well, thinking I was using the same stroke. I would literally scope the cue ball and jump over the object ball. Same cue, just different weight distribution. Even trying to adjust I could not draw worth and darn. Took the weight out and it was fine. I am sure it was me not knowing how to adjust. Sure someone else could draw just fine with the added weight.

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

shafts

There are many possible logical explanations for what you observed. Here are a few (number 1 being the most likely culprit):

1.) You might not have been hitting the CB as low with the Meucci. Possible reasons for this are tip shape and size effects, or stroke differences due to cue weight, balance, and mass distribution differences (especially if you are an elbow dropper).

2.) If the tip/cue combinations had very different efficiencies, you might not have been giving the CB the same amount of spin and speed for a given tip contact point on the CB.

3.) Shafts of different CB deflections produce slightly different amounts of spin for the same tip offset. For more info, see getting more spin with an LD shaft.

Next time, use a marked ball (or a stripe) to check the tip contact point on the CB after each shot. Also make sure the OB travel distance is the same for each shot (by hitting the OB into a spot on a rail instead of into a pocket) to ensure that the CB speed is the same for each shot. That will eliminate many possible misinterpretations of your observations.

Regards,
Dave

Hi Dave
Thanks for chiming in,


When I was testing the meucci cue, I made sure the dot was straight up.
I was very focused where I was hitting the cue ball with the cue...
I was very focused on my stroke, I tried the nice smooth follow thru and the snap of the wrist draw shots several times.

I made a shaft for my main player so I could put a clear plastic DIY tip on it and not chalk it so I can do hitting center cue ball drills.

Personally I think I was very focused on where I was hitting the CB.

 

[JB Cases]

This was one example I had about," it's the Indian not the arrow". The draw shot. Not all cues draw the same. However, I am not sure. I have a Jacoby and could draw just fine with it. I added weight using weight bolts. Well, thinking I was using the same stroke. I would literally scope the cue ball and jump over the object ball. Same cue, just different weight distribution. Even trying to adjust I could not draw worth and darn. Took the weight out and it was fine. I am sure it was me not knowing how to adjust. Sure someone else could draw just fine with the added weight.

Always when I hear this I think to myself let me pick your arrows.

To this day no one has ever taken me up on my challenge to play a money match if I am allowed to pick their cue. I have said it will conform 100% to BCA specifications.

Still no one wants to try me that way, I wonder why?

 

[skankhammer]

It's an Ultra Piston 1,for the looks it is 10 of 10,but for playability it is 5 of 10,ive never tryed red dot,and i doubt i would ever buy a Meucci product,also the vibrations are a big problem.When i play a shot with more power,or stroke the cue is literally shaking,never owned a cue with so much vibration,you can feel every vibration

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I had the same result, with a power piston meucci. It was shaking like a french solider after contact with the cue ball.

 

[garczar]

The person who owns the Meucci is a good friend of mine.

His health and stroke is the major issue.
Health stroke, he almost fainted at the table and I had to help him to his truck when he felt a little better.
He couldn't of hit center bowling ball.
I have been replacing his tips for free for almost a decade .

What tip would you suggest I put on there ?

Kamui Black SS. Spins it like a Elkie and will last quite a while.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Kamui Black SS. Spins it like a Elkie and will last quite a while.

Agreed.

That's what I've had on one of my shafts for several years now & also am trying a G2.

The G2 hits well but has more of hard sound than any soft tip I've experienced, which is not really that many.

I don't really like a soft tip sounding hard as I think that can be misleading. we have more than one sense & sound is one.

I had thought that the sound went away but it came back. Must have something to do with the layers & how they are put together.

Anyway, the Kamui SS Black was actually too soft at first compared to an Elk Master until a took about 6 layers off of it & it has played very well since & is lasting extremely well.

 

[jackpot]

Always when I hear this I think to myself let me pick your arrows.

To this day no one has ever taken me up on my challenge to play a money match if I am allowed to pick their cue. I have said it will conform 100% to BCA specifications.

Still no one wants to try me that way, I wonder why?

You are dead on right. Isn't it amazing how players that were very picky about their cues
all of a sudden when they turn pro play just the same with broom handles mop handles,
handle bars, doesn't matter. AMAZING. I heard of one match in a major tournament
where a well known pro accidentally picked up the broom left behind by the porter that
swept up after the previous match and played the entire match and won without even knowing until some one in the crowd pointed it out. Don't believe it just ask about half
the azers.
jack

 

[mortuarymike-nv]

Kamui Black SS. Spins it like a Elkie and will last quite a while.

That was one of my thoughts too and I have some in stock .
It was either a kamui SS or a ultra skin very soft.

So are you guys saying you get more spin with a softer tip lol

 

[jackpot]

The draw cue

no doubt about it

I once had a josey sneaky pete
you could put so much draw on the cueball that it would astonish you

ask JACKPOPT here on az,Jerry Franklin was so amazed he couldn't believe it
he grabbed the cue from my hand and grinned like a kid

The cue that Deanoc refers to was the most unbelievable cue in the world. I have played
with hundreds of cues over the years, and drawing my ball was never a problem. Some
were a little better some quite a bit better drawing. Deanoc had this sneaky pete with a
crack in the handle and said try his thing you won't believe it. He was right, nothing
even comes close to that cue drawing the ball, it seemed as if was defying the laws
of physics. I took it over to a GC and played a little with it it was super LD. Hard to
play with you could not get far off center. Had a long taper a little under 13mm
but nothing I had't seen before. I called Josey and asked about it. He said it had
a ferrule made from a cue ball. I ordered one. It came and was no different than
any other. This cue is in the Glen collection I would love to see someone that really
knows what the are doing do tests on it. This was not just a good drawing cue,
many people tried it players, top cue makers, and everyone's mouth fell open when
they hit a ball or saw it draw. It is mystery.
jack

 

[skins]

What HE said......... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Corwyn_8]

Always when I hear this I think to myself let me pick your arrows.

Absolutely. Wooden arrows are custom made for a particular archer, specifying length; weight; spline; tip weight; size, shape, number, and spin of fletching; etc. All made from aged dried carefully matched shafts. Quite a bit like cues actually, if one bought a dozen cues at a time, and one used them sequentially in random order.

Which brings up a question I have had for a while. Do cue makers test their cue shafts on a spine measuring device, like arrow makers use?

Thank you kindly.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

So out of 20 posters who responded to this question so far, l'd say at least 15 (75%) believe the shaft makes a big difference in the amount of spin that can be produced.

I'll bet the actual percentage among the pool playing population is even higher.

pj
chgo

 

[Lesh]

I am a believer in certain cues that just seem to have weight, modulation, and hit solid enough where they have absolutely no issue with giving you what you expect. Over time anyone can develop a rapport with any cue, making it as predictable and useful as one would have it be.

Some gravitate toward a shaft that is whippy and bends a bit. For which, I have found that a softer tip is much better. Then there are the stiff hitting shafts like the predator Z's and OB Classics that I like so much. I use medium-hard to hard tips on them and experience the joy that comes with having a healthy stroke and a solid hit. Sure it makes a difference regarding shaft type and tip hardness. Has always made a difference.

Regards,

Lesh

 

[336Robin]

I saw a guy once who had a cue

I saw a cue once where a guy had turned down the shaft to fit him then he extended the pro taper way up the shaft and there weren't much taper to it which made the shaft whippy when using draw and if wanted draw he got all he ever wanted. I don't think its the shaft so much as it is the flexibility of it that did it.

The other day I get a called from a friend who I replace his tip on his cue.

He said he cannot get draw with the sniper tip I install on his black dot meucci .

So I meet him at a bar and there was another customer there and he is saying the same thing he cannot get draw with his McDermott with a sniper tip I installed on his tip.

Both of these guys are doing good to even make it the table because of their health.

This thread isn't not a slam thread against any brand of cue.

I started off with the McDermott, I chalked it up , shot a full table draw shot first shot.
The owner jumped up and said how did you do that !

Now I am trying the black dot Meucci I scuff the tip a little chalk up and shot a draw shot.
I get about a half table of draw.

After doing about a half dozen practice draw shots making sure the black dot is pointing straight up , I noticed it took allot more focus to do draw shots then the McDermott or the cue I use that also has a solid shaft.

I could get some draw but the draw was weak in my opinion.
Personally I felt the problem was the shaft and not the tip nor the shooter.

What do you guys think ?