Predator cue is just about marketing???

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BABYfrHEAVEN said:
I went to a local store few days ago looking to upgrade my cue stick. I'm looking for a cue around 600$ but still can afford up to $1000. After a bunch of research, I narrow my choice to Mezz or Predator. After a few shots with one of Mezz Axi 2015 series and ACE-K cue, I have very good feeling kind of like to buy one of them. I want to try to hit with Predator cue (8k-2 or P3 series- which I really like) as well but unfortunately, they don't have any. I decided to go to other store have those Predator cues to check then make a final decision later.

Well even when I said above I like predator cues (8k, P3 or even Sport 2) but, in fact, i've never tried them before. The reasons I like is the design and technology (which I read from Predator website). Then I talked about my situation with one of professional player (he's very famous, attend WPC last year and even own cue store but I don't want to mention his name here) and curious about the different about 8k, P3. Here is what he said to me:

"Not much different between those 2, predator cue is all about the same for so many years. The way they marketing make people think that Predator cue has breakthrough technology, even with the new 3rd gen sharp.".

He did not say Predator cue is bad but he doesn't like the way they marketing and told me Predator is overpriced. One other guy (also a pro) suggest to me that I don't need to spend 1000$ for a cue because 500$ cue is already high-end cue. When I asked him about a cue around 500$, which brand I should go for and he said go for Mezz.

Well, even this comes from pro player but I still wanna hear others people opinion about it. And I still haven't made a purchase decision yet.
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My opinion differs so much then yours, there is not need to say it.

You need to be happy with your choice, and I wish you the best of luck..
 
Cues and shafts are like pizzas. Ask ten folks; get ten different preferences.

Make mine thin crust, well done, with onions and pepperoni... :wink:
 
Bob 14:1 said:

Make mine thin crust, well done, with onions and pepperoni... :wink:
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The best ever are/were in Phila
Original tomato pie with the cheese under the sauce from Tony's Place on Frankford Ave
Charlies Place on the Blvd (US1)
Vinces on Grant
Taconelliies in Port Richmond.
Some of those places might be closed but they are legendary.

I'll match these up against any pies anywhere...also challenge anyone to a pizza eating contest. I'll give up one slice.
 
Nuts4Tascarellas said:
The big claim to fame for Predator is their shafts. I have had around 15 of these come through my shop in the past year. All of them had black lines coming up the shaft from the ferrule end. Delaminating glue lines or CRACKS. The end of the shaft is hollow for the first 5 inches. The only thing holding it together is a very thin walled ferrule that is made of inferior isoplast material. If you buff it - it will expand or pop out like a balloon. Great concept for low deflection, but bad engineering for longevity. And it's getting worse. The newer ones are only lasting a year or two before they fail. Maybe that's on purpose. They get you hooked on the shafts - then make them to fail so you can have the privilege of buying a new one from them. It's trash really. I have found a way to fix them - but it isn't cheap. When I'm done with them they won't do it again either. But I would not ever buy one again. Period.
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All of the predator shafts you worked on this year had cracks in them and all of the new ones fail after 2 years? Either I am very lucky or you work for the manitowoc sheriff's department

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GoldCrown said:
The best ever are/were in Phila
Original tomato pie with the cheese under the sauce from Tony's Place on Frankford Ave
Charlies Place on the Blvd (US1)
Vinces on Grant
Taconelliies in Port Richmond.
Some of those places might be closed but they are legendary.

I'll match these up against any pies anywhere...also challenge anyone to a pizza eating contest. I'll give up one slice.
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They sound awesome. Visited Chicago once, and went to Pizzeria Duo. Damn pizza weighed so much I was out of breath by the time we made it back to the hotel. Weird place. Folks would wait out on the curb for sometimes an hour for their turn at the front of the line to be seated.
 
Bob 14:1 said:
They sound awesome. Visited Chicago once, and went to Pizzeria Duo. Damn pizza weighed so much I was out of breath by the time we made it back to the hotel. Weird place. Folks would wait out on the curb for sometimes an hour for their turn at the front of the line to be seated.
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Taconellies in Phila..( I think I'm spelling it right).... You would order the dough before you went in. Tell them how many pies you want. They only made so many each night. A person could wait outside to see if there were any unclaimed doughs. (no shows). They were known for their White Pizza's. ...all cheese and garlic. No sauce. It was a BYOB place. Man it was long ride home. Always prayed(and I don't pray) I would not get stuck in traffic:D

Who wants me? I'll go 8-7 on a large pie. I'm skinny...but was known for my ability to put food away. Also very diversified. Double meat cheese steaks...forgetaboutit....large Hoagies no problem. Seriously I can't eat like I use to (medical reasons) but my friends feared me. I challenged someone to a steamed dumpling endurance match for $1.00 a dumpling. The guy weighed close to 300 lbs and would not take the bet.

Where were we. Predator cues....love em. Mine went up in value 10cents.
 

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caff3in3 said:
All of the predator shafts you worked on this year had cracks in them and all of the new ones fail after 2 years? Either I am very lucky or you work for the manitowoc sheriff's department

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Then you have been lucky. Predator is overrepresented by a huge margin when it comes to delaminated shafts, broken ferrules, cracked carbon fibre on the break shaft and a finish that nics easily.
Viking is the other bog comercial brand I see lots of problems with...
 
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Kim Bye said:
Then you have been lucky. Predator is overrepresented by a huge margin when it comes to delaminated shafts, broken ferrules, cracked carbon fibre on the break shaft and a finish that nics easily.
Viking is the other bog comercial brand I see lots of problems with...
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I guess everyone I know got lucky. I've known a lot of friends who have and still do use predator and I don't know of any of them having this issue. Including myself.
 
BABYfrHEAVEN said:
I went to a local store few days ago looking to upgrade my cue stick. I'm looking for a cue around 600$ but still can afford up to $1000. After a bunch of research, I narrow my choice to Mezz or Predator. After a few shots with one of Mezz Axi 2015 series and ACE-K cue, I have very good feeling kind of like to buy one of them. I want to try to hit with Predator cue (8k-2 or P3 series- which I really like) as well but unfortunately, they don't have any. I decided to go to other store have those Predator cues to check then make a final decision later.

Well even when I said above I like predator cues (8k, P3 or even Sport 2) but, in fact, i've never tried them before. The reasons I like is the design and technology (which I read from Predator website). Then I talked about my situation with one of professional player (he's very famous, attend WPC last year and even own cue store but I don't want to mention his name here) and curious about the different about 8k, P3. Here is what he said to me:

"Not much different between those 2, predator cue is all about the same for so many years. The way they marketing make people think that Predator cue has breakthrough technology, even with the new 3rd gen sharp.".

He did not say Predator cue is bad but he doesn't like the way they marketing and told me Predator is overpriced. One other guy (also a pro) suggest to me that I don't need to spend 1000$ for a cue because 500$ cue is already high-end cue. When I asked him about a cue around 500$, which brand I should go for and he said go for Mezz.

Well, even this comes from pro player but I still wanna hear others people opinion about it. And I still haven't made a purchase decision yet.
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IMO,

Buy a Custom cue then purchase a LD shaft to fit it.
 
Meucci has a bad rep on here. And well deserved for QUITE some cues they've made...

But give the "The Pro" and "Ultimate Weapon Pro" shafts a try before you buy anything else.

I cannot believe how low deflection and SOLID "The Pro" hits.

I go for Meucci shaft on a custom Butt any day now.
 
caff3in3 said:
... Either I am very lucky or you work for the manitowoc sheriff's department...
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Puzzled by this reference, I googled "manitowoc sheriff's department" and the first thing that pops up is

You are all corrupt f***ing ***holes! You are all going to have to face what you did!!​

I didn't read much further, but it seems like they are not nice people. Maybe it's from excess cheese consumption.

And maybe I should get a TV set to keep up with current events.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Puzzled by this reference, I googled "manitowoc sheriff's department" and the first thing that pops up is

You are all corrupt f***ing ***holes! You are all going to have to face what you did!!​

I didn't read much further, but it seems like they are not nice people. Maybe it's from excess cheese consumption.

And maybe I should get a TV set to keep up with current events.
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Coles notes version is they have been in the news for fabricating evidence in an investigation

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Not everyone got lucky.

trob said:
I guess everyone I know got lucky. I've known a lot of friends who have and still do use predator and I don't know of any of them having this issue. Including myself.
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I see issues with allot of different shafts, but Laminated LD shafts have the most issues of all the shaft designs I get in for repairs...

I didn't post this earlier, because I didn't wish to argue this with anyone.
It would be flat out lie to say I have never seen any issues with predator shafts.

I have seen thicker pensile shavings then the tenons is some of these laminated ld shafts, how could they not have issues ?
 
trob said:
I guess everyone I know got lucky. I've known a lot of friends who have and still do use predator and I don't know of any of them having this issue. Including myself.
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Not necessarily. A cue repairer is going to be seeing only failures. The failure rate can be pretty low and still be higher than for other types of shafts. Predator is a common brand. Both pieces of data need to be interpreted correctly given the sample.

Thank you kindly.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Actually, the opposite is true (greater error with off center hits), unless the longer pivot length happens to better match your bridge length.
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If that is true why use one? I was under the impression that low deflection cues produce less squirt. So a slight error off center, would produce less off angle cue ball path (though presumably the same english). That says less error to me. A NO squirt cue would always put the cue ball precisely in line with major axis of the cue, regardless of where on the face of the cue ball it was hit, yes?

Thank you kindly.
 
Have you tried the Meucci pro shaft. I like it a lot, don't own it, use a buddies all the time. Have owned many different predators, never had the opportunity to try Mezz.

As far as the pizza, NY has the best hands down and I'm not from there or live there.
 
Failure rate

Corwyn_8 said:
Not necessarily. A cue repairer is going to be seeing only failures. The failure rate can be pretty low and still be higher than for other types of shafts. Predator is a common brand. Both pieces of data need to be interpreted correctly given the sample.

Thank you kindly.
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IMO the failure is completely out of control compared to buying a Solid maple shaft made by any decent cue repairman and or a cue maker

Because of the design of all laminated LD shafts and the materials they are made from it leaves the tenon/ferrule area rather flexible and IMO allot weaker then a solid maple shaft.

If you guys haven't ever repair LD shafts, its a eye opener..........

Bottom line is,
All LD shafts should be considered fragile and will have a higher failure rate.
 
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