I still have the same concerns but, obviously, would never think of you as misrepresenting anything, grossly or otherwise! An email is on the way.
Jim
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Jim and I just had a long phone conversation, but we really didn't add anything beyond what I have already written. If Jim still thinks something is amiss after he thinks about it some more, he will get back to us.
Regards,
Dave
Dave,
I was going to say more... but I think I will play some more with a Predator 314 CAT shaft the has been sanded down to less than 12mm at the 13 to 19 inch area & the taper extended farther up the shaft for awhile before I do.
Best Wishes,
Rick
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Some of the over 1,500 views are enjoying it.
In an earlier post...
I did not say open the "rebound" angle & I clarified what I meant after saying 'open the angle'.
The point of the post was the change in the ball's rotation.
The ball is no longer rotating directly around the horizontal axis & if hit slowly enough will have a swerve component as it 'rolls' after the rebound & in essence opens the 'angle' from the point it exists or rebounds from the rail & where it makes contact on the next rail or object ball, or what ever.
It's similar to a CB picking up outside rotation when it collides with an object ball.
If the ball is swerving & traveling on a curve, then the point it next contacts on a rail, etc. will be at a point of a greater angle than had it 'rebounded' & rolled straight. Hence, 'open the angle'.
Hitting very softly for certain shots for one pocket is where one might notice it the most.
I did not say open the "rebound" angle & I clarified what I meant after saying 'open the angle'.
The point of the post was the change in the ball's rotation.
The ball is no longer rotating directly around the horizontal axis & if hit slowly enough will have a swerve component as it 'rolls' after the rebound & in essence opens the 'angle' from the point it exists or rebounds from the rail & where it makes contact on the next rail or object ball, or what ever.
It's similar to a CB picking up outside rotation when it collides with an object ball.
If the ball is swerving & traveling on a curve, then the point it next contacts on a rail, etc. will be at a point of a greater angle than had it 'rebounded' & rolled straight. Hence, 'open the angle'.
Hitting very softly for certain shots for one pocket is where one might notice it the most.
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I can see that person saying to himself "I'm gonna look this stuff up and show them I was right".......but the only stuff he finds on the internet is from the same people that's telling him he's wrong.
At which point it's time to go back to the Internet and look up a bunch of things about golf, baseball, and tennis that have absolutely nothing to do with pool, and present these factoids as proof (through some unfathomable relationship) that the "scientists" don't know everything... even though they think they are "omniscient".
Good God. WTF do you think the rebound angle is if not "the 'angle' from the point it exits or rebounds from the rail"?
You don't have the mental capacity to participate in any technical discussion without completely derailing it. Personally, I think you do it on purpose and should be permanently banned. Is anybody really this stubbornly stupid?
pj
chgo
He ain't so dumb, and of course he's doing it on purpose, and has been since he joined.
Keeps getting away with it, too. He's learned to hide behind the letter of the law here, while flagrantly violating the spirit of it's purpose here, which is to promote civilized discourse in matters related to pool.
In the meantime, every attempt to squelch him in order to have a meaningful discussion leads either to the closing of a valuable thread or the banning of a member who simply can't stand it any longer. And he sits there, snickering at it all behind his keyboard, seemingly untouchable. God only knows how many other sites he plagues on the web, covering a wide variety of topics from guns to granola with his inimitable brand of faux expertise. Pathetic.
PJ,
Rick does have a unique ability to bring out the worst in everybody and do some of the things people are accusing him of, and I certainly agree it is important to point these things out to him. If he is smarter than you suggest, he might be able to learn from his mistakes and change his posting style. Otherwise, I hope the moderators are seeing what is going on and consider "putting him on vacation" and/or warning him with a permanent ban.
Regardless, it is not right to attack Rick with personal insults like this. We don't want you to be "sent to the corner of the room" again. Your contributions (when not sprinkled with personal attacks) are very much appreciated on the forum.
Concerned with what AZB has become recently,
Dave
While the jury is out...
Most LD shafts are laminated pie shapes and hit the same regardless of rotation of the shaft. This one used layers like plywood and is LD with the grain layer ends up and down for left and right English with the black dot pointed up.
" The Meucci Black Dot shaft is made with 35 layers of maple to recreate the grain.."
The mass of the front end of the shaft in any orientation of the layers is the same and I suspect that if the cue was rotated with the dot rotated 90 degrees, with the layers horizontal to the slate that the squirt would be greater.
I never bought or tried one for I worried about tip wear if I always kept the black dot up. This is only food for thought and I don't sell or profit from Meucci products and the video may be rigged.
Play video:
http://meuccicues.com/deflection_videos.html
Most LD shafts are laminated pie shapes and hit the same regardless of rotation of the shaft. This one used layers like plywood and is LD with the grain layer ends up and down for left and right English with the black dot pointed up.
" The Meucci Black Dot shaft is made with 35 layers of maple to recreate the grain.."
The mass of the front end of the shaft in any orientation of the layers is the same and I suspect that if the cue was rotated with the dot rotated 90 degrees, with the layers horizontal to the slate that the squirt would be greater.
I never bought or tried one for I worried about tip wear if I always kept the black dot up. This is only food for thought and I don't sell or profit from Meucci products and the video may be rigged.
Play video:
http://meuccicues.com/deflection_videos.html
OK, if by "most" you mean the greatest number of individual cues in use today.
But if by "most" you mean the greatest number of cue brands, then I only know of one: Predator. I guess we could also include OB, although OB doesn't really use pie shapes.
pj
chgo
Again.
When put in context...
regarding the curved roll, swerve, & the net effect.
The ball can exit from the rail on the 'proper' rebound angle but it will NOT arrive at the point of that extended line. It will arrive farther down, hence what many if not most 'pool players' would say is 'opening the angle' even though that is not technically correct.
Most pool players are not concerned with the technical wording of all of the physics & geometry terms, etc.
The net effect is that the ball will arrive long due to the side rotation picked up from the collision with the rail IF hit slowly enough for the effect to take... as in many one pocket shots.
We are not playing with laser lights & mirrors.
The effect is more noticeable when the ball is rolling 'slow' & the angle is in the area of near 45*, more or less, such as long banks off the long rails. Depending on the cloth condition there is also the possibility of the ball sliding on the rail & not getting the exit angle one intends.
It's very easy for anyone to do their own experiment & hit a few balls at about pocket speed from a short rail near a corner pocket to the other long corner banking off the long rail. Subconsciously, one might normally hit the rail shorter to compensate & that is ALL that one really need do. It fact, in some cases that happens naturally as it is not the center line of the ball that makes contact with the rail but a part that is closer to the player then the intended target, but many times that small amount alone is not enough.
But... if anyone is missing long when 'calculating' these types of shots this could be the reason. The same shot hit firm enough will pocket but when hit softly, at pocket speed, can swerve long.
When put in context...
regarding the curved roll, swerve, & the net effect.
The ball can exit from the rail on the 'proper' rebound angle but it will NOT arrive at the point of that extended line. It will arrive farther down, hence what many if not most 'pool players' would say is 'opening the angle' even though that is not technically correct.
Most pool players are not concerned with the technical wording of all of the physics & geometry terms, etc.
The net effect is that the ball will arrive long due to the side rotation picked up from the collision with the rail IF hit slowly enough for the effect to take... as in many one pocket shots.
We are not playing with laser lights & mirrors.
The effect is more noticeable when the ball is rolling 'slow' & the angle is in the area of near 45*, more or less, such as long banks off the long rails. Depending on the cloth condition there is also the possibility of the ball sliding on the rail & not getting the exit angle one intends.
It's very easy for anyone to do their own experiment & hit a few balls at about pocket speed from a short rail near a corner pocket to the other long corner banking off the long rail. Subconsciously, one might normally hit the rail shorter to compensate & that is ALL that one really need do. It fact, in some cases that happens naturally as it is not the center line of the ball that makes contact with the rail but a part that is closer to the player then the intended target, but many times that small amount alone is not enough.
But... if anyone is missing long when 'calculating' these types of shots this could be the reason. The same shot hit firm enough will pocket but when hit softly, at pocket speed, can swerve long.
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I was civil for most of a year while he did the same thing over and over, disrupting conversation after conversation with his idiocy despite many civil complaints. If the mods here can't see his effect on their forum, maybe they're the cause of incivility.
Reminds me of the story of the stubborn mule:
Farmer buys a mule from a guy who promises the mule is docile and obedient and only needs to be treated kindly. A week later the farmer returns the mule because he can't get it to mind him. The seller picks up a 2x4 and whacks the mule as hard as he can in the forehead, bringing it to its knees.
The buyer is shocked and yells "What the hell?!? I thought you said he only needs to be treated kindly...?!?"
The seller says calmly, "Well, you gotta get his attention."
pj
chgo
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And Tiger.
No, it could not be the reason, as you've been told. Rather than repeat your wrong statements, ask for clarification. Better yet (since you don't understand the clarifications either), stay out of topics you clearly don't understand.
pj
chgo
How much have some played one pocket?
Bank shots are speed sensitive. A ball can roll fast into a rail or slowly into a rail.
Yes there is different compression of the rail & different exit lines, etc.
Speed reduces time in contact with the table bed. Swerve takes time to take & have an effect. A slow rolling ball that has diagonal spin yields a different effect than one that is spinning fast & NOT grabbing the cloth.
Speed related to TIME, the 4th dimension that is often neglected. Time for the effect to take place & have an effect.
I'm not talking about a bank where the ball is off of the table bed for a good portion of the time or one that rolls in & rolls out on virtually an end over end manner.
I'm talking about the one's where the contact point of the rail is significantly offset from the vertical center line of the ball.
It is sort of like reverse english in a sense as the off center 'hit' is from the other side of the cue stick.
Many make the mistake when banking or kicking by not taking into account just what part of the ball WILL be making contact with the rail as they 'look' for the center line to be that part that will be making contact with the rail & that is not the case for angles into a rail other than straight on & the difference increases the farther the angles gets away from head on perpendicular to the rail.
My original post on this was to simply give a simple example of how a rolling ball gets off of the horizontal axis & combines with it being 'torqued' by a hit on the side (by a rail) & then has a different rotation about a different axis as it comes out.
Bank shots are speed sensitive. A ball can roll fast into a rail or slowly into a rail.
Yes there is different compression of the rail & different exit lines, etc.
Speed reduces time in contact with the table bed. Swerve takes time to take & have an effect. A slow rolling ball that has diagonal spin yields a different effect than one that is spinning fast & NOT grabbing the cloth.
Speed related to TIME, the 4th dimension that is often neglected. Time for the effect to take place & have an effect.
I'm not talking about a bank where the ball is off of the table bed for a good portion of the time or one that rolls in & rolls out on virtually an end over end manner.
I'm talking about the one's where the contact point of the rail is significantly offset from the vertical center line of the ball.
It is sort of like reverse english in a sense as the off center 'hit' is from the other side of the cue stick.
Many make the mistake when banking or kicking by not taking into account just what part of the ball WILL be making contact with the rail as they 'look' for the center line to be that part that will be making contact with the rail & that is not the case for angles into a rail other than straight on & the difference increases the farther the angles gets away from head on perpendicular to the rail.
My original post on this was to simply give a simple example of how a rolling ball gets off of the horizontal axis & combines with it being 'torqued' by a hit on the side (by a rail) & then has a different rotation about a different axis as it comes out.
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