Nothing. What do you call a coin op in a bowling alley? A bar box isn't any coin op table and you know that. You are the professional, right?
Diamond 7 footer vs. Valley bar box APA rules
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Nothing. What do you call a coin op in a bowling alley? A bar box isn't any coin op table and you know that. You are the professional, right?
As abrasive as rkc comes across a coin op table is what it is but a Barbox is a Barbox it doesn't matter if it's in a bar a bowling alley or a library for that matter. Without painting with a broad brush I think it's generally safe to say that a bar box is any one piece pre fab generally coin op ball return table. With recent popularity of diamond 7 foot tables people lump them into the bar box category simply based on the relation in size with what I'll assume is the most commonly accepted bar table size which is 7 ft. No pretense, just the way I see it.
I've been working on pool tables since September 1983....and you're asking me about....what a coin op pool table is?
Can you imagine the results of the following?
"Hey Earl, you need to lose this one. We've got you playing as a 4"
" Time out! Earl you need to shoot that one two rails!"
"Hey Earl, you pocketed the 8 illegally, you lose! -But I called it! -You forgot the pocket marker!"
In Washington state, most all the coin op pool tables are 8ft....so, according to Mr. Allen Brown....they're not bar boxes:thumbup:
I'm sorry, I forgot that when dealing with you I have to use small words....and speak sloooowly, so you can understand what I'm saying.
You know, I think RKC is probably right. I mean he is the professional, if anyone would know I think it's really pretty likely that he would.
That being said, I think the term barbox is the commonly accepted term for a 7' table. Kinda similar to "Cresent wrench" or "kleenex", both commonly accepted terms, but a Cresent wrench is really an adjustable open end wrench, and a kleenex is really facial tissue.
To me, a barbox is a 7' table, the size commonly found in a bar. I guess an 8' or 9' coin operated to me would be a big barbox, I guess?
That being said, I think the term barbox is the commonly accepted term for a 7' table. Kinda similar to "Cresent wrench" or "kleenex", both commonly accepted terms, but a Cresent wrench is really an adjustable open end wrench, and a kleenex is really facial tissue.
To me, a barbox is a 7' table, the size commonly found in a bar. I guess an 8' or 9' coin operated to me would be a big barbox, I guess?
That was a great tournament. I wished they did another like it as I watched every minute of it.
You know what cracks me up the most about you elitest...You are hypocrites.
Bad mouth APA because you say it is a league for noobs yet they play be the added challenge of a closed break. Beyond that, their actual playing rules aren't really that much different.
Talk about how superior and great players are when they run a big pack of 9 ball, yet they are fine with pattern racking and studying the rack claiming it is a required skill to be good in this day.
Whine about not being able to use a specialized jump stick, when it is harder with an actual playing cue OR you have to do the more difficult thing of kicking at the ball.
You are an "elite" player because you can run out 96% of your racks on bar boxes even without getting to pick your suit on a break and you can run out 99% of your 9 ball games on a bar box without rigging the rack in your favor. You do all those things without using a specialized cue by using your vast superior kicking skills. Maybe, if you can't do those things under the more challenging conditions, you are not so elite after all.
Angry much?
I appreciate you slowing it down for me. :thumbup:
Us people down here in Alabama aren't that fast and we are all inbred hillbillies too.
Without a doubt. They play on Valley bar box's in Vegas at the APA National Championships so the games will go faster. Pockets are big as bowling balls.
I'm no shortstop but I can string a lot more racks together on a Valley than a Diamond.
The Diamond is by far a better table but definently plays tougher than the Valleys.
Well said. Even though the stats on runouts are smaller on the Valley tables with APA rules because of the "you got what you make" rules. Those stats are huge when you play open after the break with either table, more so on the Valley tables.
So what you are saying is.....you can run more racks on a "9 ft bar box" than a 9 ft diamond? You need to be sure to clarify what size bar box you are talking about here. According to Glenn all tables that are coin op are bar boxes. So, for future reference just clarify the size of the bar box.
Good job there buddy, I don't have to point out to anyone how dumb you are, when you do such a good job all by yourself
now you understand why when I refused to help you in the mechanic's forum...no one else bothered to help you either
Good job there buddy, I don't have to point out to anyone how dumb you are, when you do such a good job all by yourself
So......a 9 ft Coin Op Diamond is a bar box?
A 9 ft Drop Pocket Diamond is not a bar box?
Right or Wrong?
I recently played in apa masters for the first time. It's by far the best league format I've ever played in.
What would you call a Valley 9ft coin op? Would you call that a bar box because Valley built it? What about Dynamo, what if they built a coin operated 9ft pool table, would you call that a bar box? I've already tried to explain to you, a bar box....key word there is "BAR" box, is a coin operated amusement device. Now, take any pool table built, with no money vending system built into them, for simplicity, take a Gold Crown 9ft for example. Even if that table is in a bar, that don't make it a bar box, as it's either rented by the hour, or free to play. So, to answer your question once again....if the table is coin operated, it's a bar box. Anything else is is simply a pool table. Diamond Smart Table= bar box. Diamond ProAm=.not a bar box. Diamond Professional, not a bar box. Olhausen pool tables, not bar boxes.