Corey Deuel Controversial 10-Ball break at SBE

Give me a recent win on a 9 foot table is what I meant, didn't mean to discredit those tournaments but I don't really think highly of bar table wins, sorry. Also, Corey is one of my favorite players.

Jayson Shaw has won a million Predator tour stops, but when speaking on his resume, I'm pretty sure most people would mention his 4-peat at Turning Stone and leave out those little tournaments. Nothing wrong with what Corey has won recently, but definitely not comparable to World 9 ball, US Open 9 ball, China/Japan Open, etc.
 
Yes because breaks like that are what is holding pool back from being popular :rolleyes:

No it's the dress code-no wait it's the drugs, no sorry it's the players' attitudes-No wait it's the low life's in the pool rooms, Hold on it's players stealing from car washes! That's the ticket!
 
Sometimes just hearing the #1 guy go "What the f**k" is worth it. Maybe the hard break wasn't working that day and he figured "I'll leave them clumped up instead of spreading them out". Either way I enjoy watching these guys try new/old things.
 
Give me a recent win on a 9 foot table is what I meant, didn't mean to discredit those tournaments but I don't really think highly of bar table wins, sorry. Also, Corey is one of my favorite players.

Jayson Shaw has won a million Predator tour stops, but when speaking on his resume, I'm pretty sure most people would mention his 4-peat at Turning Stone and leave out those little tournaments. Nothing wrong with what Corey has won recently, but definitely not comparable to World 9 ball, US Open 9 ball, China/Japan Open, etc.

I was listing more recent tournaments that he has won that the other guy didnt list. Boogeyman says he doesn't believe Corey lives a clean life, whatever the hell that means(seems to be implying drugs). Then king t says he doesnt see him beating anybody or is winning anything & slide13 says he isnt a top tier player. I never said he was winning world class events, Winning what he has been, even though mostly barbox with great fields in all of them by the way & top 5's and top 10's in big tournaments shows he can still compete with top tier guys.
 
My thoughts exactly

I don't think anyone could argue that he wasn't at one time a top player....but look at those dates. 3 wins in the last 8 years, nothing in the last couple. He certainly isn't performing in the top tier these days...not to say he doesn't have the potential to though, he just hasn't.

Past 8 years:
2013 Derby City One Pocket Champion
2013 United States National Snooker Championship
2010 Turning Stone classic XVI Champion

Prior 8 years:
2007 Gabriels Open Professional Players Champion[8]
2007 Space Coast Open winner[8]
2007 Bob Martin Memorial winner[8]
2007 Jacksonville Open winner[8]
2006 Mosconi Cup, winning team member[13]
2006 Relay for Life Nine-Ball Invitational Charity Benefit winner[14]
2005 UPA Pro Tour Champion[14]
2005 Fast Eddie's Nine-ball Tour Stop, Open Division winner[14]
2004 Derby City Classic Ring Game winner[15]
2004 Predator Central Florida Ring Game winner[15]
2004 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[15]
2004 Seminole Florida Pro Tour Stop winner[15]
2002 IBC Tour Stop 1 winner (Shirahima, Japan)[16]
2002 UPA Atlanta Pro Open winner[16]
2001 US Open Nine-ball Championship[17]
2001 Greater Columbus Open, Open Division winner[17]
2001 Reno Open Nine-ball Champion[17]
2001 BCA Open Nine-ball Champion, Men's Division[17]
2001 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[17]
2001 All-Japan Nine-ball Champion, Open Division[17]
2000 Northern Lights Nine-ball Shootout[18]
2000 Viking Nine-ball Tour, Stop 18 winner[17]
1999 Camel/ESPN/Time Warner Cable Open [19]

Is he in Action with anybody???? I haven't heard if so.
 
That was then..,

Did you not play pool 15+ years ago or follow 9ball?
Losing to Corey's Soft break was the reason that Earl quit in the finals against him at the Camel Tour's stop at Romine's High pockets back in 1999, giving him his first professional win.
Earl walked out and ESPN couldn't air the match as a result, and Camel quit pool soon afterwards.

Maybe if you actually watched him play during his breakout year, 2001, when he won a lot of tournaments and was ranked the #1 player in the world, you would have seen just how effective his break was.
That's the year he won the U.S. Open, and gave Mika the donut, 11-0.
Heck, there was that Million Dollar Challenge tournament he won at Valley Forge in 2008, where Corey was soft breaking so convincingly, that several opponents (including SVB in the finals) abandoned their traditional breaks, and tried to soft break, when he started to pull away.


It might not be an advantage in 10ball, but don't make the mistake in thinking that it wasn't a huge advantage in 9ball when he figured out the particular equipment he was on, and got it working.
Especially on equipment that was breaking terrible in the traditional manner.

That is, before the powers that be changed the rules for most of the 9ball tournaments and then changed the game on him.

I like Corey's game, but what he did back then doesn't matter. He hasn't been winning and he can soft break all he wants, no body is turning him down for Action because of his break and Earl walking out is because of Earl's poor mental state not Corey's break.
 
I don't think anyone could argue that he wasn't at one time a top player....but look at those dates. 3 wins in the last 8 years, nothing in the last couple. He certainly isn't performing in the top tier these days...not to say he doesn't have the potential to though, he just hasn't.

Past 8 years:
2013 Derby City One Pocket Champion
2013 United States National Snooker Championship
2010 Turning Stone classic XVI Champion

Prior 8 years:
2007 Gabriels Open Professional Players Champion[8]
2007 Space Coast Open winner[8]
2007 Bob Martin Memorial winner[8]
2007 Jacksonville Open winner[8]
2006 Mosconi Cup, winning team member[13]
2006 Relay for Life Nine-Ball Invitational Charity Benefit winner[14]
2005 UPA Pro Tour Champion[14]
2005 Fast Eddie's Nine-ball Tour Stop, Open Division winner[14]
2004 Derby City Classic Ring Game winner[15]
2004 Predator Central Florida Ring Game winner[15]
2004 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[15]
2004 Seminole Florida Pro Tour Stop winner[15]
2002 IBC Tour Stop 1 winner (Shirahima, Japan)[16]
2002 UPA Atlanta Pro Open winner[16]
2001 US Open Nine-ball Championship[17]
2001 Greater Columbus Open, Open Division winner[17]
2001 Reno Open Nine-ball Champion[17]
2001 BCA Open Nine-ball Champion, Men's Division[17]
2001 ESPN Sudden Death Seven-ball winner[17]
2001 All-Japan Nine-ball Champion, Open Division[17]
2000 Northern Lights Nine-ball Shootout[18]
2000 Viking Nine-ball Tour, Stop 18 winner[17]
1999 Camel/ESPN/Time Warner Cable Open [19]

Good post Slide and something I've been wondering about for quite some time.

Was Corey Deuel ever really a top tier talent or was he just so far ahead of the field with his break that he simply had a good run for a couple of years until the rule changes caught up with him?

For a while it looked like he was following in the foot steps of previous greats like Mizerak, Sigel, Rempe, Varner, Earl, and so forth but now I look back and I wonder how good he really was if you excluded his revolutionary breaking techniques.

That may sound harsh but it just may be true.
 
The other thing..,

Good post Slide and something I've been wondering about for quite some time.

Was Corey Deuel ever really a top tier talent or was he just so far ahead of the field with his break that he simply had a good run for a couple of years until the rule changes caught up with him?

For a while it looked like he was following in the foot steps of previous greats like Mizerak, Sigel, Rempe, Varner, Earl, and so forth but now I look back and I wonder how good he really was if you excluded his revolutionary breaking techniques.

That may sound harsh but it just may be true.

When Corey was winning the field of competition was smaller, mostly American players, once he had to start dealing with the worlds best rather then just Americas best. it seems that he and Archer and Earl all fell way off.
 
So, Corey has been a champ for almost longer than you've been alive and YOU question his resume??? Gotta be high

As this back & forth goes on Corey just knocked SVB out for 3rd place & he will be playing Alex P. In the finals of the U.S. Open 1p tomorrow. If Corey should lose to Alex in the final tomorrow I hope that he can still look in the mirror & say "you are somebody".
 
Took a clinic with Corey 3 years ago - I'm crystal clear on 2 things - #1 unbelievably intelligent and knowledgable player in addition to being a very nice guy, #2 - if he focused his attention and talent on the game 100% as SVB or Darren does and put in the same practice time, very few in the world would like it - period.
 
... This clip was Corey's second break (i think,,, because he actually made the one ball on his first), and Shane took ball in hand even though it seems to be a legal break now in the video. ...

Yes, the video is Corey's break in Game 3 (his second). It looks to me like 3 object balls hit a rail (1-ball, 3-ball, and 7-ball -- not the 6-ball, which was blocked by the CB). At the time, neither the players nor the commentators seemed to know for sure whether it was a legal break, and Corey told Shane to go ahead and take BIH.

Under WPA (world-standardized) 10-Ball rules, if an OB is not pocketed, it is a foul unless at least 4 object balls hit a rail. While this event did not follow WPA rules in some other regards, it seems that they did settle on the requirement of 4 balls hitting a rail, because Corey's break in Game 7, when 3 balls contacted a rail, was deemed to be a foul.

I am very interested to know if doing that safety bream helped corey's chances at all? Did Corey lose many of the games that he did that break, and did he ever stop doing it? Was it alternating breaks? How did the match turn out? Final score? Thanks.

Yes, alternating breaks. In his match with SVB, Corey broke 8 times, all soft breaks. He made the 1-ball in the side pocket twice and was dry the other 6 times. Two of the dry breaks were deemed to be fouls (see above). Corey won 3 of those 8 games -- once when Shane scratched on a cross-corner bank on the 8-ball, once when Shane missed a straight-back bank on the 8-ball, and once when Shane played safe on the 8-ball but Corey kicked it in. Shane broke successfully 6 of 8 times and ran out 2 of the 6. Shane ran out on both of Corey's breaking fouls. The final match score was 10-6.
 
As this back & forth goes on Corey just knocked SVB out for 3rd place & he will be playing Alex P. In the finals of the U.S. Open 1p tomorrow. If Corey should lose to Alex in the final tomorrow I hope that he can still look in the mirror & say "you are somebody".

He's only that far cause of his break:rolleyes:
 
Corey has said for a few years now that he would play Shane even if they both pushed out after the break. Guess hes working on his half of the proposition...lol.
Shane has said NO repeatedly.
 
Corey figured out soft breaking 20 years ago, when he did it against Earl playing in the finals of the last Camel Pro Tour event. Earl got so pised he forfeited the match. IIRC, that was Corey's first big win. Earl came to the banquet later and apologized for quitting the match. Not long after that, RJ Reynolds quit sponsoring pro pool for good...but it had nothing to do with Corey soft breaking.

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That is really interesting. Corey did not think of new ways to great back in his prime though, or did he? When did he start thinking of all these creative ideas? I still think it is wrong, and should not be legal. Just my opinion. It just looks boring , and bad for pools image.
 
So, Corey has been a champ for almost longer than you've been alive and YOU question his resume??? Gotta be high

Not sure why age has anything to do with having an opinion. Good logic :)

Not questioning his overall resume, just his recent wins, which excludes anything that screams top tier.

How about you state some evidence instead of just insinuating someone is dumb or high just because they can form a valid opinion that differs from your own. What grade did you drop out of?
 
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