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Dr. Kenny D's 2010 Searing, video plus short story/history of cue
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Did Dennis even use glue in that cue?
Lord, perefect doesn't describe the cue.
The veneers work is out of this world.
Lord, perefect doesn't describe the cue.
The veneers work is out of this world.
CA Joey.......This is a genuine question
How Are Dennis's veneers are better crafted than a lot of cue-makers that immediately come to mind? I know you can spot veneers that are sloppy or poor quality but what makes the veneers on this cue, or any cue Dennis has made, better than a different, competent cue-maker? There does not seem to be anything special about his veneers versus other top name cues posted in the Cue Gallery. I do not see any difference......great is great, okay is okay and poor is poor..... veneers fall into one of the three aforementioned categories and IMO, little differentiation when it comes to great pool cue veneers.
Matt B.
How Are Dennis's veneers are better crafted than a lot of cue-makers that immediately come to mind? I know you can spot veneers that are sloppy or poor quality but what makes the veneers on this cue, or any cue Dennis has made, better than a different, competent cue-maker? There does not seem to be anything special about his veneers versus other top name cues posted in the Cue Gallery. I do not see any difference......great is great, okay is okay and poor is poor..... veneers fall into one of the three aforementioned categories and IMO, little differentiation when it comes to great pool cue veneers.
Matt B.
The key phrase is "I do not see any difference". That's very common. If/when you are ever able to, your appriciation for and understanding of why the big hoopla in acquiring some makers cues is expressed so greatly.
Dennis leaves NOTHING to "chance" when creating his blanks. Thats the best way I can put it.
You have raised this question before. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=391858 What are you looking to accomplish this time that wasn’t answered before? If Dennis’s cues don’t ring your bell, don’t buy one.
dom_poppa
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They do look very nice and I agree that there is no difference compared to other cues with great veneers either. I think the aura and price of a Searing cue has to come to play here. Everyone always say its his technique but I have yet to hear anyone describe such techniques. I don't think Mr. Searing himself will explain his technique either. Therefore, the opinion of his veneers as being superior to others are just opinions that may be influenced by the the Searing name.
It's a very nice cue.
Only thing I find funny in that video is when the owner described the history of the ivory. Like it makes a difference that the history of the ivory in the cue came from some old lady's house. What is significant about the history of the ivory because Mr. Searing purchased the ivory from her. The history of it was from a little old lady.
https://youtu.be/WIrBPdb1d2k?t=2m22s
It would be more impressive if the history of the ivory came from a Searing safari hunt and he shot and killed an elephant in Africa.
I am sure its a very nice cue and the owner will enjoy it for many years to come.
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Just because YOU cant see any difference doesnt mean those differences arent there... Just from your statement, its obvious you wouldnt understand even if you WERE shown..
That's ok though. Plenty of cues out there your speed....
dom_poppa
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Are you reading what you're typing?
I have already praised and said the veneers look very nice. For example I am sure his veneers are on part and just as good as Szams, Tascs and the Herceks of the world. For you to imply that his veneers are superior than any other maker is a disrespect to many great cue builders of the world.
As for not being able to tell the difference? I am commenting on a cue that was posted on a Youtube video. You are must have some great set of eyes to tell me what I am suppose to see through a video of all things.
It's one thing to comment about a cue that is in front of us and its another through a Youtube video.
As mentioned before, I am commenting on the video that was shown.
No need to instigate and make a big deal out of nothing.
NO... Its one thing to say "hey those veneers do look real nice and TO ME I SEE NO DIFFERENCE EITHER.....
Instead YOU said:
They do look very nice and I agree that there IS no difference compared to other cues with great veneers either.
YOU were basically saying you dont see any difference, BUT there IS a difference, IF you know what you're looking at... YOU dont. Thats fine...
As for my comment disrespecting Barry, Pete, or Joel, no disrespect was even CLOSE to being inferred. Why don't you talk to THEM and ask about Dennis's veneers... I think youl find I wasn't disrepecting any builder...
By the way I ALWAYS know what I'm "typing".. You should learn to read...
dom_poppa
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Ok...I give up. You are cue master extraordinaire.
Tell me what am I suppose to look at.
I have my loupe with me and watching the video with the loupe.
Ok...I give up. You are cue master extraordinaire.
Tell me what am I suppose to look at.
I have my loupe with me and watching the video with the loupe.
Nope, nothing "extraordinaire" about me. I just dont say something IS unless it IS.
As for "teaching" you what to look at, I think I'll just let you do the research here and figure it out for youself. If you stayed engaged in these discussions, which have been talked about here before, maybe you'd THINK before you "type". But as you are, you engage with ignorance or incredulity in just about every thread I read that you participate in...
Matt, Since about 2010 Dennis has been doing maple or euro sycamore channels that he mills and dyes for his veneers. The outer "veneer" is always a piece of ebony that has been recut. In this way the veneers on his cues are seamless just as if the woods were recut in the forearm. This method is painstaking and similar to what Dave Barenbrugge started doing before Dennis (except Dave uses hardwoods of various shades and colors--rarely dyed channels). The first cuemaker who I know of that employed this method was Skip Weston, who is a master machinist. Skip got off to a great start and then suddenly stopped making cues around 2006. His veneer work was superb and his cues had mostly classic designs. I'd have to say what Dennis and Dave are doing is state of the art for pointed veneered cuemaking as I understand it.
Is this method a requirement to make a first tier pointed cue with veneers that plays great? Absolutely not. I appreciate and love cues made from all of the veneered methods--mitred/folded, overlap and even inlaid veneered points like those you see in a Ginacue or Tad cue.
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dom_poppa
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Saying no difference compared to other great cues isn't an insult. Look at all the great builders out there and their fantastic veneer work. If anything, it should be received as a compliment.
You're implying he is superior than everyone else is the true example of ignorance.
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Once again YOU answer with utter ignorance... Thats nothing new..
By the way, I'm "implying" nothing. I'm STATING it.
You always go for the easy $...:wink:
dom_poppa
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So what is the bet? Which cue builder has the best veneers?
That is the entire premise of what we are discussing. You cannot tell the difference between two great veneers from 2 different builder's. For example there is no difference between Szam's great veneers vs. a Searing.
Now if you want to judge the difference in technique then that is a different story.
I am sure there are Szam owners here who are willing to put up one of their cues for evaluation. Somehow I don't think its as easy as you think it is.
For me...draw their names out of a hat and whichever comes up is the winner.
50/50 chance of winning.
Are Szam's veneers from flat sheets or dyed V sheets ?So what is the bet? Which cue builder has the best veneers?
That is the entire premise of what we are discussing. You cannot tell the difference between two great veneers from 2 different builder's. For example there is no difference between Szam's great veneers vs. a Searing.
Now if you want to judge the difference in technique then that is a different story.
I am sure there are Szam owners here who are willing to put up one of their cues for evaluation. Somehow I don't think its as easy as you think it is.
For me...draw their names out of a hat and whichever comes up is the winner.
50/50 chance of winning.
I think the disconnect here is that you don't know that Searing's veneers are one piece and thus don't have a join line anywhere. Comparing this method against any joined veneer it will always come out on top. That's not to say that there aren't amazing examples of joined veneers but one piece veneers never have a line where, if you look closely enough, joined veneers always will.
At least that's how I read the situation.