With some of these comments I'm finding it hard to believe these folks have ever stepped foot in a pool hall.
With some of these comments I'm finding it hard to believe these folks have ever stepped foot in a pool hall.
With some of these comments I'm finding it hard to believe these folks have ever stepped foot in a pool hall.
I walked into a 'dump' situation once...the best player in the room had a few locals betting on him...he was playing a stranger one-pocket.
It didn't look right to me....but I started betting $50 a game anyways.
The other betters sensed the dump early and stopped betting....I kept betting.
...cost me about $350....they finally got bored with chopping my modest bet and quit.
I waited till the local player went home and then made a game with the stranger...
...giving me the 8 for $100 a game (9-ball).....I took my time, got the bet up to $300...
...he was mad as a wet hen when he realized that he was the one who needed weight.
Any of you guys feel sorry for this stranger?
Are you one of those "hustlers" we're all talking about, Bmore?
It seems pretty hard to deny that hustling is sleazy if you take a good look at it.
Well, the old adage is that you can't hustle an honest man. That any hustle is based in part on the greed of the mark, drawing him in.
Well, the old adage is that you can't hustle an honest man. That any hustle is based in part on the greed of the mark, drawing him in.
I think 'hustling' is part of the narcissistic pool players mind set. To him, since there is no real consideration of the other fellow, it (hustling) is a natural, and normal part of pool play.
To put it another way: any empathy one person has for another is lacking, or nonexistent when the hustle is on, and when over is ofttimes justified by insinuating that the mark got what he so richly deserved.
No consideration is given to the person being hustled if he has a gambling problem. Indeed, if an addiction does exist there seems to be even more reason for the hustle to be made, as if the poor fellow needed to be taught a lesson.
In the end, however, neither of the participants are victorious. The hustler invariably losses his swag to a better hustler, and the mark never wins at all.
The biggest loser, in my opinion, has always been the cue sports.
This reminds of a poster who used to post in NPR about his dating difficulties.
He used to post about being mad at a girl because he did this or did that and she was using him. I think he would give her money and do favors like give her rides and stuff like that and then he'd get mad because he wasn't getting any sex..:smile:
Looking at that situation though. In reality he was trying to hustle her. Deep down he knew she wasn't going to give him sex so he would do stuff like give her money or give her rides with hope that she would give him sex. That is a straight up hustle.:smile: I think he thought she would eventually return his favors with some favors of her own. Lol manipulation!
What happened though. She would give him the impression that sex was possible knowing that he was never going to get any, but she wouldn't tell him that because she knew she could use him as long as he thought he had a possibility of sex. She hustled him right back. He likely never even saw himself as a hustler, he just mistakenly thought he was being nice. Of course a nice guy doesn't do things they don't want to do but they go ahead and do it just because she might reward him. That's not nice that's manipulative but he wasn't smart enough to see that. Basically he wasn't even trying to hustle he just was kind of ignorant as to what was going on.
This girl was smart though. She took him for money and favors. Was that sleazy of her? Yeah, I think so. Did he deserve it? Debatable.
The point is not all girls would have taken advantage of the man who put himself in that situation. Some would have let him know that it is in his best interest to move on. Just because someone is ignorant of what is going on and they make theirself an easy target doesn't mean that someone smarter has to take advantage of them and the situation. Some women look for guys like this. They may even give the guy a little action every now and then if his pockets are deep enough. Is it the guys fault ultimately? Yes. But is the girl sleazy? Yes again.
As I recall isn't that poster actually you?
Your story does emphasize precisely how true my statement was.
The girl saw the guy was dying to get in her pants. She capitalized on that by using his "greed", in this instance in the form of lust, to hustle him out money & rides & other things by making him believe if he provided those things, he might get what he wanted.
Now without this "greed" or lust in this instance she could not have accomplished that. His lust drew him.
Now is this morally reprehensible on her part? Maybe, She did take advantage but perhaps her perspective is he was trying to hustle her out of her pants so he deserved it.
Did he deserve what happened to him? Absolutely! Why you ask? Well if he wasn't trying so hard to get laid he would have never given money or rides or trinkets & only did so in the hopes of getting laid so it wasn't out of kindness or generosity, there was an ulterior motive. Thank you for elaborating my point so nicely.
In my mind a true hustler never lets the hustled think they are hustled so no harm done. The problem is the way the hustler has been depicted in that after the match the hustler's ego has to let the mark know they have been hustled. Happens in the bar scene in "the Hustler" and in the Forrest Whitaker scene in TCOM. The true hustler doesn't have that sort of ego so he never let's on. It's just business. Truth be told, we all wish we were that good and confident in the game.
It's an art form. It's an ambush. It's a skill.
What about the girl who is so desperate for affection that she will do whatever a pimp wants her to do?
Let's say she doesn't have it in her to leave the only guy who has shown her any real affection for a minute or two but the only way she gets his affection is by manipulating the situation and doing what he wants, even though she doesn't want to.
You think she deserves to be used too?
Not judging just curious to see if your thoughts change and if so why.