It's Carbon composite......not carbon fiber.
that makes a huge difference.
that makes a huge difference.
Predator Revo shaft full review and deflection test
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Carbon fiber is a composite. However, not all composites are carbon fiber based.
in terms of what the revo is made from..there is no carbon fiber weave. Like those in car parts..or the more commonly used carbon fiber.
all pics of the shaft has the material to be on color and no actual weave like pattern.
most players who think of carbon fiber = cuetec
where as this new predator revo = carbon composite.
Also in all the printed text on the predator site or on the revo anniversary 20th box..states it as carbon composite.
all pics of the shaft has the material to be on color and no actual weave like pattern.
most players who think of carbon fiber = cuetec
where as this new predator revo = carbon composite.
Also in all the printed text on the predator site or on the revo anniversary 20th box..states it as carbon composite.
It does not take a weave, which is typically just a decorative layer, for it to be carbon fiber. Not saying it is, but you can't use that to tell. We make carbon fiber bike frames in house at my work and we haven't used carbon weave for years as its not structurally useful.
John...Not for nothin', but when I asked Bob what he thought about the Revo shaft at the SBE, he said, "If I could get it in the smaller diameter that I like, it might just become my player!". That's something, knowing how Bob feels about his playing cues.
I am expecting to get mine by Friday (I'm on the road teaching in AL currently), and I'm really looking forward to playing with it.
On another note, I'd just like to say it certainly is a much more peaceful, enjoyable forum without Rick's rhetorical postings on anything and everything.
Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com
I'm dying for an actual review of this shaft. I don't know why. Please update us as soon as possible.
I just wish there was a regular deflection version. If it really hits similar to wood, the durability really appeals to me.
Directly from the Predator web site:
PREDATOR REVO
The ultimate in billiards technology and performance. Comprised carbon fiber composite, REVO shafts incorporate more than twenty years of technological evolution and testing. The stiffest of all Predator shafts, REVO shafts feature the lightest front end mass, the lowest rate of rise taper, greatest radial consistency, and most durable construction. The result? The most accurate shaft in the world at low and high speeds, with the smoothest finish, most spin, and uncompromising durability.
Most accurate shaft at low and high speeds
Low-rise taper
Ferrule-less construction
Limited-lifetime warranty against warpage
Also, the new P3 Revo models (4 of them) were released the other day. They are much more affordable, starting at an MSRP of $1349 - $1399 (without wrap, and with wrap, respectively..)
Check out the Predator site and take a look at them
I have a few of each of the models coming in next week..
If anybody is interested, send me a PM..
Check out the Predator site and take a look at them
I have a few of each of the models coming in next week..
If anybody is interested, send me a PM..
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When you see it in person, it does have a slightly visible weave pattern, just a different type of weave than the typical carbon fiber pattern you see on auto parts.
Also, the grain of the weave changes in different sections of the shaft, which the predator rep at the expo explained to me was to target strength and flexibility at different points where needed.
I tried it and I think it hit as good as anything I've ever hit. That said, I'm sure I'll still miss a lot.
1.400 ???????
I could buy a Carmeli, or a Nitti, or Cognoscenti, or Samsara, Josey.....etc
PoolChump
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Here is the image from Predator of the shaft construction, and their description:
Unidirectional Aerospace Grade Carbon Fiber Tow
Woven fibers have long been the expected standard of carbon fiber construction, but they are not necessarily the best for every application. We have long recognized both the strength and the function of carbon fiber weave, however, recent advances in fiber technology and construction techniques have led Predator to take a different design approach. Previously, a woven fabric was the norm for the outermost covering of any carbon component. Now, new aerospace grade carbon fiber tow construction methods and new fiber placement theories allow us to tune the shaft by orienting the carbon fiber tow in the directions most suitable for a particular location in the shaft itself.
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Yes, you could probably get an entry level or used cue from these awesome cue makers for around that price.. :smile:
My personal player is a #1978 Samsara, with a Predator 314-3 shaft (I prefer LD shafts). Best cue shaft combo I have ever played with, by far. It retailed for just under $3K when I purchased it about 10 years ago..
I have not personally tried the new REVO shaft out yet, I wasnt able to make it to the SBE this year.. But every person I have talked to who has tried it, liked it... I cant wait to try it out, even though im not too thrilled about it only being offered in a 12.90mm (I prefer a diameter of between 12.35 - 12.50mm)..
If the new shaft is technologically superior to other shafts (that is a BIG 'if', I know...), then I would say the best comparison I can think of quickly would be like either buying a classic show car for $150K, or a Nissan GT-R NISMO for $150K.
Completely different reason for buying one or the other.
You buy a classic collectors car for reasons like, collect-ability, craftsmanship, rarity, show-ability, etc...
You buy a GT-R NISMO to absolutely rip shit up, being one of the baddest production cars out there...
As a guy with an E63 AMG whos been beat by a GT-R before (butt hurt too), I like to say, 'ya, but I'd rather be driving an AMG Mercedes than a Nissan!' Lol...
Makes me feel better, but that damn 'Nissan' can beat me in the 1/4 mile...
I get that. My question is why can't we see independent benchmark testing results?
I have no doubt that they built a good shaft. I have no doubt that it's good enough to play the best pool that can be humanly played.
What I want to see is PROOF that anything less cannot be used to play the best pool that can be humanly played.
Because ultimately that is the premise behind advertising something as having better performance. It is to supposed to support human performance so that if the human is doing everything to the absolute highest possible degree then the shaft will not be the cause of any miss.
It's like if I were the world's best archer and I tried to compete in a world class event with a bow from 1970. I would likely not do to well. But armed with the best equipment then the only variable is my own skill.
You and me Cleary are not going to see much help in our games by having the very best cue ever made IMO. Maybe a little if we were serious about tracking where we are now with where we are in a month after we started using the shaft.
But for a pro...reducing misses and increasing accuracy even a little bit is huge. I would love to see solid hard data that proves that this cue is truly technologically superior and that in the hands of a pro it's the marriage between the highest possible skill and the best possible equipment performance.
Otherwise.....it's just a bunch of people making anecdotal claims about how cool it is and how good it "feels".
Which is not irrelevant but it's not proof either.
The one Brandon did? If so then no. That's not a real test nor a real unbiased review.
I am talking about the type of testing where accurate benchmarks are defined and logical. Then against those benchmarks equipment is tested thoroughly and scientifically. The experiments are repeatable and results verifiable.
I'm not sure that whether it is best in the hands of a pro is the right test for many of us.
I do acknowledge the general proposition that each miss by the pros is infinitely more important than each miss by an amateur, because one miss may cost them the match.
However, pros do so many things better than the rest of us, not least of which are (a) hitting the CB exactly where they intend, and (b) adjusting for CB squirt, swerve and CIT. If the shaft reduced the margin of error on a shot (so a slight miss-hit still makes the ball) I would expect that to show up much more in my game than in SVB's or Alex's.
It is possible, therefore, that a shaft does nothing (or almost nothing) to increase a pro's ability will still help the amateur player. Willie Mosconi might not have played any better if he'd grown up using an LD shaft, but that doesn't mean that it won't help me.
Gideon
I see your point and thought about it. Yes along the lines of a faster car means a bad driver can drive faster the shaft will certainly help average players do some things better assuming the claims are true.
My point was as you pointed out that an increase in equipment performance benefits the pro more because of decreased situations where the equipment was at fault for the miss. (in so much as equipment could even be the cause.)