Question about unknown 4 point (with veneers) cue that is up for auction on ebay.

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justinb386

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I love the looks of this cue, but I wonder who may have made it, and what it is worth as an unknown cue (that might be hard to identify).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNKNOWN-VIN...839195?hash=item3ac4fa451b:g:MCAAAOSwMNxXUfHn

I love the looks of it (appears to be ebony with birds eye maple forearm).

Love the points and veneers (they look very nice and even).

Sounds like it might be pretty badly warped though.

Thanks for any thoughts about the cue.
 
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I wouldn't be chasing a cue like this without experience and also already having my playing cue sorted.

It's a total gamble.


I have ideas who made it, but it's in my watch list so I'll hold my cards close to my vest. :wink:




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Chopdoc said:
I wouldn't be chasing a cue like this without experience and also already having my playing cue sorted.

It's a total gamble.


I have ideas who made it, but it's in my watch list so I'll hold my cards close to my vest. :wink:




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Okay, I understand. Thanks for the info.
 
Chopdoc said:
I wouldn't be chasing a cue like this without experience and also already having my playing cue sorted.

It's a total gamble.


I have ideas who made it, but it's in my watch list so I'll hold my cards close to my vest. :wink:




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I am also watching this cue (looks like a great player), but I do not know much about the cue maker (Kevin De Roo, from Canada), or the value of his cues.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131837975563?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
 
I'm far from an expert...but 4 orig (probably orig) shafts is a good sign. One of the
ferrules looks to be akin to the old Meucci style...Yellowed PVC? These ferrules
were popular (due to Meucci's popularity) in the late 70's/early 80's.

Disclaimer: I'm talking out my arse, but you wanted opinions. I got lots of those!
 
commswatch said:
I'm far from an expert...but 4 orig (probably orig) shafts is a good sign. One of the
ferrules looks to be akin to the old Meucci style...Yellowed PVC? These ferrules
were popular (due to Meucci's popularity) in the late 70's/early 80's.

Disclaimer: I'm talking out my arse, but you wanted opinions. I got lots of those!
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I don't think all those shafts are original.






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Possibly one of the ferrules could be Micarta. Another possibility with that dark ferrule could be ABS plastic, but I doubt it.

Pretty rough shape, but definitely old school.

The shaft collars do not match in all shafts. At least one is a replacement shaft or collar.

Prediction: I suspect this one will get to between $600 and $700 on Ebay.
 
WildWing said:
Possibly one of the ferrules could be Micarta. Another possibility with that dark ferrule could be ABS plastic, but I doubt it.

Pretty rough shape, but definitely old school.

The shaft collars do not match in all shafts. At least one is a replacement shaft or collar.

Prediction: I suspect this one will get to between $600 and $700 on Ebay.
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At least one of the shaft inserts is different as well.


If this cue could talk....



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The A joint ring is interesting as well.

And I would love to see under that bumper.


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WildWing said:
Possibly one of the ferrules could be Micarta. Another possibility with that dark ferrule could be ABS plastic, but I doubt it.

Pretty rough shape, but definitely old school.

The shaft collars do not match in all shafts. At least one is a replacement shaft or collar.

Prediction: I suspect this one will get to between $600 and $700 on Ebay.
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I am kind of surprised that a unknown warped cue is selling for as high as it already is. The bidders must think it is something really special. The bidders do not even know exactly how warped the cue is. Maybe it is common for cues of that age to have a warp in them? What if it rolled perfect? Imagine how much it would sell for then.
 
justinb386 said:
I love the looks of this cue, but I wonder who may have made it, and what it is worth as an unknown cue (that might be hard to identify).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNKNOWN-VIN...839195?hash=item3ac4fa451b:g:MCAAAOSwMNxXUfHn

I love the looks of it (appears to be ebony with birds eye maple forearm).


Love the points and veneers (they look very nice and even).

Sounds like it might be pretty badly warped though.

Thanks for any thoughts about the cue.
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Id stay far away... The ferrules do not even look flush to that shaft. Hell, i even thought one had a slip on ferrule and tip
 
commswatch said:
I'm far from an expert...but 4 orig (probably orig) shafts is a good sign. One of the
ferrules looks to be akin to the old Meucci style...Yellowed PVC? These ferrules
were popular (due to Meucci's popularity) in the late 70's/early 80's.

Disclaimer: I'm talking out my arse, but you wanted opinions. I got lots of those!
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If that cue is akin to any meucci, the price is waaaaaaaay too high.
 
This cue was put on here for identification some time ago, with no ID and now has a changed butt cap as the original was broken.
 
Yeah I've been looking at it. One old micarta ferrule, one looks to be ivory wth cracks in the base of ferrule and other 2 are more modern. The last 2 look to have been replaced based on the materials used, one is like a weaved lined material and it's longer than the other white one....it has the red fiber pad.

The forearm is warped...he mentioned that so it's probably pretty significant. 2 of 4 shafts are warped. For that alone it's greatly devalued. Alot can be fixed, but warping isn't one of them.

I'm guessing it's an import but who knows. It could be an unmarked JW, Joss or Scruggs or have a replaced buttcap. A poster in this thread recalls he knows it was replaced.

You have to think who made cues with bushka type ring at the base of points? Then look at the collar rings. On those alone I'm saying this is likely an import.

At this point it's overpriced to me with warp. Though I know it's going to 900 cause only 1 guy has to bid it up, so I know it's going to.
 
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I like traditional looking old school cues and this one has the look. I just wouldn't want to pay what it's been bid to. Be interesting to find out what it is though.
 
cueenvy said:
Yeah I've been looking at it. One old micarta ferrule, one looks to be ivory wth cracks in the base of ferrule and other 2 are more modern. The last 2 look to have been replaced based on the materials used, one is like a weaved lined material and it's longer than the other white one....it has the red fiber pad.

The forearm is warped...he mentioned that so it's probably pretty significant. 2 of 4 shafts are warped. For that alone it's greatly devalued. Alot can be fixed, but warping isn't one of them.

I'm guessing it's an import but who knows. It could be an unmarked JW, Joss or Scruggs or have a replaced buttcap. A poster in this thread recalls he knows it was replaced.

You have to think who made cues with bushka type ring at the base of points? Then look at the collar rings. On those alone I'm saying this is likely an import.

At this point it's overpriced to me with warp. Though I know it's going to 900 cause only 1 guy has to bid it up, so I know it's going to.
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All good observations.


In addition, one of the shaft inserts is different. There is a finish over the stainless joint collar. The forearm is stained, not natural. Look at the glue gaps where those veneer points come together.

As for the warp, if it's in the handle it is certainly repairable by replacing the handle. It is a short splice after all.


These things are such curiosities when they come up. Sometimes tempting. I enjoy them. There are a couple I regret not jumping on.


We are forced to look at such cues more carefully than known a cue I think. And in a different way.

Such a cue stands on it'sown merits and flaws.

Imagine such a cue made by one of the known greats. People would talk about patina and character. It almost automatically would be worth putting work into it.

I do have an affinity for unknowns for these reasons. For me, it isn't the potential that it might be identified as a known maker so much as it is the fact that the cue must be evaluated on its inherent characteristics. Though the potential of a name is a factor.


That A joint ring certainly is interesting.



One could get this cue and play it and that A joint could start rattling like a maraca...or not.


The way I value these things would be $150 for the butt and $100 for each shaft as long as there are no warps to contend with and the entire wood surface is intact with only moderate finish flaws. If the handle is warped, OK. Minor rolls in shafts, OK. But if the forearm is warped and/or any shafts have real wobbles in them then the value goes down fast. And that valuation is for a US made cue.

It is possible that this is a US made cue that used an import splice. I have my suspicions.

IMHO this cue is risky at the current bid...but as you and several of us have noted, the cue will likely go substantially higher anyway.



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