What about the people that do get it?
I Used to Use a System But Now....
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What about the people that do get it?
Another thing I've been thinking about is this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OD5TsWrByI
So here is an example of shooting the cue ball into the rail at a certain angle, regardless of where on the rail, will produce a pretty consistent result. Different situations, that when a similar technique is applied results in a similar outcome. In this situation, it's a 45 degree angle into the rail for a center table cross from different positions.
Maybe a part of the reason cte works, is it's operation on more complex set of track lines.
So the idea of track lines that would "self correct" and lead to pockets instead of through center table is plausible.
Just some food for thought.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OD5TsWrByI
So here is an example of shooting the cue ball into the rail at a certain angle, regardless of where on the rail, will produce a pretty consistent result. Different situations, that when a similar technique is applied results in a similar outcome. In this situation, it's a 45 degree angle into the rail for a center table cross from different positions.
Maybe a part of the reason cte works, is it's operation on more complex set of track lines.
So the idea of track lines that would "self correct" and lead to pockets instead of through center table is plausible.
Just some food for thought.
DVD 1 is the system
DVD 2 is the connection to the table.
Has my work been perfect? No, but I am on a mission....I stuck with it. I have worked a good 10 years with CTE....Have I learned additional info in such a way that I can explain the depths better...Yes
My book represents DVD1 and 2 and everything that I have had the right to learn and refine along the way.......
I am proud of my work and I am proud to put in it book form whether you like it or not.
Stan Shuffett
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It does make sense that there would be all that. CTE isn't as easy as steps 1, 2, and 3.
I feel like a better analogy is that it's like learning an entirely new language. You don't just learn a new language by reading a dictionary once. Except for that one guy who won the french scrabble tourney who didn't speak a lick of french. But the point is, it's complex, and you have to work at it.
And like any language, there's a progression from awkward, to fluent.
Add on top of that, that the language is also pushing uncharted territories. So it's difficult to convey.
One of the qualities I admire about Stan is that he has a very, as soon as I know, you'll know attitude.
I like your comments!
CTE at the fluent level is see CCB, align and shoot.
Concerning your last comment, I do know something very special that has NEVER been formally presented in any form. Hal knew it....I know it and YES I will pass it it along.
Stan Shuffett
GoldenFlash
Banned
Good decision...that book is number 1 in priority now.
It will become my "always with me" epistle for study, just like that cloth covered plank of plywood that I put together for use when I was trying to learn perceptions. I STILL carry that thing around in the bus and study when I'm waiting for the old folks coming out of their doctor appointments.
Some of these people are right about it being (for some learners) like throwing away the English language and suddenly trying out Russian. Having learned those perceptions I now look back and think...."why was it so hard?".
One thing for sure, when I miss a ball now, it isn't related to 'hitting the shot in the right spot' because of any superstitious mumbo-jumbo about "feel". Any miss has been reduced to a stroke or stance thing. One less bell to answer as far as I'm concerned.
Knowledge is indeed the key to success...not how much trash talking one can come up with or "I can bet a zillion" etc. etc. as in the old Minnesota Fats show.
Keep on sluggin', Stan.
Regards,
Flash
I'm looking forward to the completion of that book too.
It will become my "always with me" epistle for study, just like that cloth covered plank of plywood that I put together for use when I was trying to learn perceptions. I STILL carry that thing around in the bus and study when I'm waiting for the old folks coming out of their doctor appointments.
Some of these people are right about it being (for some learners) like throwing away the English language and suddenly trying out Russian. Having learned those perceptions I now look back and think...."why was it so hard?".
One thing for sure, when I miss a ball now, it isn't related to 'hitting the shot in the right spot' because of any superstitious mumbo-jumbo about "feel". Any miss has been reduced to a stroke or stance thing. One less bell to answer as far as I'm concerned.
Knowledge is indeed the key to success...not how much trash talking one can come up with or "I can bet a zillion" etc. etc. as in the old Minnesota Fats show.
Keep on sluggin', Stan.
Regards,
Flash
This is because there is no one stated phrase or explanation that resonates the same amongst different shooters. It's like taking someone that has never ridden a bike before, and "explaining" to them, in plain english, how balancing a bike works. All you can do is give them the basic steps, and let them discover for themselves how to balance.
So in the context of CTE, the 5 shots. Each one uses the same descriptive alignment for a given pocket, say CB edge to A. If you setup these five shots, and go behind the CB and align CB edge to A, then freeze and note how your are physically aligned (where CCB overlaps/misses the OB), then repeat the steps for each given shot, you should see that each progressively thinner shot, starts with a progressively thinner physical alignment. This isn't something you do consciously, it is the orientation on the 2x1 surface that presents this. If you don't see any differences, then you really are slightly adjusting to what you think you are expecting to see. You have to learn to let your eyes do the work, and focus on the real, correct alignment. It's all there, but it does take some repetition/experience to see it. Once you do, it is repeatable all over the table, for differing perceptions, and banks, and so on.
It can't work. It is bogus. No one with a science background (spelt: peer review) can explain it or make it work.
Now, as has been pointed out many times, some players may derive benefit from trying to deploy the system, only because it gives them structure in their set up up and makes them focus more in a consistent manner on the shot making process.
But that's it.
Lou Figueroa
You are on mission. You have devoted time and energy and have learnt. You are proud and bulky.
BUT none of that means a hill of beans when it comes to the scientific validity of your aiming system.
BTW: what about that submission of your "work" to academics for review, that you touted for so long? How'd that work out for for you?
You get the boys at Harvard, Yale, MIT, Stanford, anywhere else, to stand up and applaud?
Lou Figueroa
CTE is nonsense. Gibberish. Good luck to anyone trying to learn it.
Lou Figueroa
No. Absolutely not -- it is a great thing.
But it is sold under false pretenses -- the supposed validity of a massively bogus aiming system.
Just be consistent in your PSR. Don't be sloppy. Pay attention and focus on the balls.
You don't need two DVDs, a book, and a mountain of mumbo-jumbo to learn that.
Lou Figueroa
I guess some people aren't so petty that they actually care about what something is called so long as they get the results they are after.
Is CTE 100% objective?
- The visuals/perceptions are pretty close. It's not that difficult to imagine A, B, or C on the OB. If you are going to compare it to something like ghost ball, then it's much more objective. Note: "more objective" doesn't necessarily mean "better". That's up to the individual.
- The sweeps/pivot are definitely not objective. I say this from experience. In fact, it's probably the most subjective thing about the system, and the whole reason you need to practice the system in order to make it work. I've used larger manual pivots than 1/2 tip and still made the ball. And when it comes to the visual sweeps, you cannot measure how far the eyes travel. I also think the sweep is where the subconscious takes over the most.
Does CTE Work?
- Yes, but only if you put in the work. Which isn't a hindrance on the system, since the exact same thing can be said about ANY instructional material out there.
- As I mentioned above, the one thing you'll need to practice the most are the visual sweeps. Stan has a nice little drill towards the tail end of his last DVD that helps with this.
Will CTE Make Me a Better Player/
- Not by itself, but as an addendum to a solid practice routine, it could surely help.
To the CTE'ers: Do not be offended by me saying the system isn't 100% objective. I really don't think it takes anything away from the system, and it still has so many other benefits. It's like people keep trying to make it out to be the Holy Grail, when in fact, it's just a really nice piece of China. I don't think that's a bad thing.
To the non-CTE'ers: Stop asking questions that have already been answered countless times. Obviously you don't agree with the answers, but they aren't going to change.
- The visuals/perceptions are pretty close. It's not that difficult to imagine A, B, or C on the OB. If you are going to compare it to something like ghost ball, then it's much more objective. Note: "more objective" doesn't necessarily mean "better". That's up to the individual.
- The sweeps/pivot are definitely not objective. I say this from experience. In fact, it's probably the most subjective thing about the system, and the whole reason you need to practice the system in order to make it work. I've used larger manual pivots than 1/2 tip and still made the ball. And when it comes to the visual sweeps, you cannot measure how far the eyes travel. I also think the sweep is where the subconscious takes over the most.
Does CTE Work?
- Yes, but only if you put in the work. Which isn't a hindrance on the system, since the exact same thing can be said about ANY instructional material out there.
- As I mentioned above, the one thing you'll need to practice the most are the visual sweeps. Stan has a nice little drill towards the tail end of his last DVD that helps with this.
Will CTE Make Me a Better Player/
- Not by itself, but as an addendum to a solid practice routine, it could surely help.
To the CTE'ers: Do not be offended by me saying the system isn't 100% objective. I really don't think it takes anything away from the system, and it still has so many other benefits. It's like people keep trying to make it out to be the Holy Grail, when in fact, it's just a really nice piece of China. I don't think that's a bad thing.
To the non-CTE'ers: Stop asking questions that have already been answered countless times. Obviously you don't agree with the answers, but they aren't going to change.
Hi mohrt. You're one of the few who actually tries to explain this stuff. What does the bold part mean? On each of the 5 shots I get the exact same alignment. Why would I stand anywhere different based on where the pocket is? Stan shoots shots with blind pockets. Their position is not supposed to matter, but I recall from the last time we discussed this that someone said you have to stand in the approximate correct position to make the shot before doing the CTE pre shot routine. So which is it?
Also, what does the underlined part mean?
If this is the correct description of what I have learned and teach, all of you that read this can rest assured that I would throw in the towel this minute.
Truth of the matter is is that you do not know CTE and you are basing what know on how you feel your way through the process.....
Having said that, I will take the blame that you don't get it. Perhaps, in the future you will understand CTE better.
Stan Shuffett
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Our eyes perceive a given shot uniquely given their position on a 2x1 table. Exactly why, I don't think we really know exactly, or at least not able to convey in words in a scientific way, why this happens. It is described as having to do with perfect squares (the rails) and pockets at the corners, and how two spheres fall inside these squares, and how our eyes perceive the alignments. I'd chalk it up as a phenomenon of how the human eyes work. Now, if you are always standing in the same physical location regardless of where the balls lay, my only answer is that you are not taking into account how our eyes takes a part in finding the edges and centers within the square, the entire perception. That said, I really don't know how to inform you how to see this, how to find this, how to describe it. I was the same way when I first started. How did I begin to realize them? Hitting balls. I went through the practice shots on DVD1 for several weeks, basically blindly setting them up and executing them, until it just started coming together, and it came pretty quickly once it did. After that the fine tuning just kept coming.
With the curtain shots, there is enough information to know a) what pocket we want to go to and b) what perception to choose for the shot. Once you know those two pieces of information, you only need to see the CB, OB and the portion of the table the lie to put the pieces together.