Choking - Why we do this

MuchoBurrito

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I am a chronic choker.

Last night at league for example I followed the cue ball straight into the side pocket after the 8. I have no words for this, there's nothing to learn or even practice here, I will execute the shot correctly 100% of the time if I practice it (similar things like this have happened before, where I go to practice a shot missed during a tourney or league, and I execute it correctly 50/50 or 60/60 times in practice afterwards.)

I'm seriously considering stopping playing league pool entirely, because I can't handle watching myself do things like this.

For some reason, my play when I'm on a team is garbage. Playing individually even for money is different, I can play just fine for money. But throw me on a team and I turn into a completely different player. I miss easy pots, can't see patterns, and just make continuously really bad choices at the table.

Anybody else have any choking stories?

... Or better yet, ideas/suggestions on why we do this, and how to overcome it?
 
It's hard to hold the cue and play when your hands are around your neck.

Really got nothing for you. I'm competitive, I don't need money to play well. I just love to win, absolutely hate losing. Whether it's a league, tourney, gambling match, I play the same.
 
I am a chronic choker.

Last night at league for example I followed the cue ball straight into the side pocket after the 8. I have no words for this, there's nothing to learn or even practice here, I will execute the shot correctly 100% of the time if I practice it (similar things like this have happened before, where I go to practice a shot missed during a tourney or league, and I execute it correctly 50/50 or 60/60 times in practice afterwards.)

I'm seriously considering stopping playing league pool entirely, because I can't handle watching myself do things like this.

For some reason, my play when I'm on a team is garbage. Playing individually even for money is different, I can play just fine for money. But throw me on a team and I turn into a completely different player. I miss easy pots, can't see patterns, and just make it so continuously really bad choices at the table.

Anybody else have any choking stories?

... Or better yet, ideas/suggestions on why we do this, and how to overcome it?


My thoughts would be to put money on the line. I know in most leagues you're not supposed to gamble. However, you can force yourself into a donation situation should you lose. Meaning, tell yourself that if you lose the match you're going to donate $XX to the team...or a charity of your choice. Make it enough that you don't want to lose it...
 
It's hard to hold the cue and play when your hands are around your neck.

Yeah, this is a good point. I'm working on not beating myself up during matches.

Really got nothing for you. I'm competitive, I don't need money to play well. I just love to win, absolutely hate losing. Whether it's a league, tourney, gambling match, I play the same.

My problem is that I'm super competitive too. I play to win, I make notes of the shots I miss and my weaknesses and the I practice those specific things, etc etc. I've been putting in serious hours lately, and while I'm watching my skill level go up and up, my level of play in team-competition hasn't changed one iota.
 
Its a mental thing, certainly. I've struggled with it often.

Just trying to keep your thoughts where they belong, and not wandering is a challenge. Let alone thinking about how "this shot wins the game" or worse "don't miss this one or he'll get out" or any such stuff...

I've been trying to really focus on the shot, and trying to visualize it going into the pocket.
 
It happens to all of us , we put this pressure on our selves. Example you could be a high skill level playing a lower skill level and you know you should be running through that person but everything is going bad for you your teams looking at you like what the hell , you shouldn't be losing . We put that added stress on ourselves , so now you start second guessing yourself what was once an easy shot is like 10 times harder and now you become anxious. Just take your time set up and if it doesn't feel right stand back up and readjust. Remember to breath and follow through every shot hope that helps
 
Making sure you don't catch yourself subconsciously gripping the cue too tightly, as well....
 
It sounds like league pressure is causing you to lose concentration.

One thing you might try is to get up-and-down on the shot a couple of times. Even if, after you're down on the shot and it looks good, get back up and start over. The extra time and effort might help you focus on the game/shot and minimize the distractions.

Watch Dennis Orcullo; he's up-and-down at least twice (and often times, three or four times) on nearly every shot. It's not just a physical thing of "does the shot feel right?" It's also a mental focusing of the job at hand.
 
I am a chronic choker.

Last night at league for example I followed the cue ball straight into the side pocket after the 8. I have no words for this, there's nothing to learn or even practice here, I will execute the shot correctly 100% of the time if I practice it (similar things like this have happened before, where I go to practice a shot missed during a tourney or league, and I execute it correctly 50/50 or 60/60 times in practice afterwards.)

I'm seriously considering stopping playing league pool entirely, because I can't handle watching myself do things like this.

For some reason, my play when I'm on a team is garbage. Playing individually even for money is different, I can play just fine for money. But throw me on a team and I turn into a completely different player. I miss easy pots, can't see patterns, and just make continuously really bad choices at the table.

Anybody else have any choking stories?

... Or better yet, ideas/suggestions on why we do this, and how to overcome it?



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It's all in your head....

Pool is such an easy game. The same shots come up all the time. It's nothing but memory and repetition.

The pockets are twice as big as the balls and they don't move...they just sit there like sitting ducks. There is a ledge in the pockets---when a ball gets too close to the ledge it drops in because of gravity.

Don't try and miss close. Try and make the balls drop in the hole. The more to the center of the pocket, the better chance you have.

Simple game with round balls and sticks. This game has been around for a long time and not much ever changes.

And when shooting, there is only one place to hit on the object ball to make it. Just hit that spot so the path of the ball goes into the hole. Six hole to shoot in so there is always a choice.

So your eyes glaze over and your body tightens up and you go blind. Just remember shooting the eight ball or nine ball is just another ball and easy shot.

Don't make the game into something tuff. It's an easy game.

The balls only go where you hit them. It's you against the table. No one is stopping you from making balls when it's your turn at the table.

It's your table and you don't want to share or let anyone else play on your table. Just run out and don't let other people play.

It's all in your head....



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My problem is that I'm super competitive too. I play to win, I make notes of the shots I miss and my weaknesses and the I practice those specific things,


Performance anxiety.


I have choked. Most of us know the feeling. But it can be chronic.


I deal with this all the time in medical students. Super high performance, ultra-competitive individuals. They obsessively study and practice, usually over-study and over-practice.

I love their faces when I force them to put the notebooks away, I don't allow them. And they only get very limited use of textbooks. That terrifies them. If they won't stop using them I confiscate them.


Fun stuff. For me.


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It's hard to hold the cue and play when your hands are around your neck.

Really got nothing for you. I'm competitive, I don't need money to play well. I just love to win, absolutely hate losing. Whether it's a league, tourney, gambling match, I play the same.

So you have never missed a easy shot for the cheese ,,


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Well, when your old lady is ragging you about spending so much time at the pool hall, what are you going to do. I mean come on, there's just so much shit a guy can......what? You meant choking as in missing a critical shot?
My bad. Carry on. :)
 
I struggled with this massively when I was teenager. Only in tournament play though. I progressed far faster than my peers and should have won every tournament I played given the competition I was facing. I would unexplainably butcher shots for zero apparent reason. I don't know if the assumption that I should win played into it out of I just was not used to the pressure.

Some good things to try:

Don't rush the shot. Many players will try to play faster to keep out the negative instead of finding a way to defeat the negative. Keep the same pace and pre shot routine for SSL shots regardless of difficulty and situation.

Keep that back hand loose. The hands will naturally tense up when you are faced with a pressure situation. This effect will get worse the more you miss. Pay attention to grip pressure all the time when you play. Even if you make it part of your pre shot routine to tell yourself to loosen your hand on every shot.

Try breathing and counting exercises. The part of the brain that is responsible for breath control and counting is the same part of the brain that causes the "mental" misses. Just by counting to three while inhaling and counting to three while exhaling will completely distract this portion of your brain, leaving the rest to do what it should do, calculate and execute.

Do some mental conditioning. Learn how your brain responds to the pressure and try to find ways to control or even reverse this. The breath control exercise may help with this as well as meditation amongst other things. Maybe try some music, stimulate the alpha brain waves. Also try some relaxation techniques before you go to the pool hall. Not too relaxing as you want your brain to be alert.

Stay away from caffeine, nicotine and other stimulants. They will stimulate the brain into more of a beta state, which is a normal thing, however too much and the fight or flight mentality kicks in. Some people thrive off of this, which is why some people don't ever want to play without money on the line. In some people this makes it harder to perform finite tasks with the accuracy needed. I cannot under any circumstances shoot pool while I am caffeinated.

Try alcohol. There is a reason some people really do improve when they have a couple of drinks in them. The effects alcohol has on the brain serve to suppress beta waves in the brain, leaving you in a more alpha dominant state, which is typically a more relaxed waking state. Too much alcohol and you will suppress this activity to much and lose cognitive function which is imperative to play pool.

Try music or ear plugs while you shoot. Not having the distractions can keep you in a better more relaxed state of mind for shooting. Knowing that other people are relying on you to shoot well makes pool a very different thing. Wondering what others think of of us is a perfectly natural and human thing, however it can blur our judgment and make it difficult to play our own game. Even if you don't actively do it, your mind will listen and react to the sound your teammates make. These sounds even when positive can take you out of a relaxed state of mind making finite focus harder and harder.

Remember pool really is ninety percent mental. To have to learn alot about human nature and your own mental makeup in order to be truly successful. Good luck.
 
Sometimes playing for a team is more difficult that individual play because we never want to feel like we've let the team down. It's a different kind of pressure.
 
Sometimes playing for a team is more difficult that individual play because we never want to feel like we've let the team down. It's a different kind of pressure.

I've maintained that this is true quite often, especially in threads where a certain element here on AZB insists that unless you have money on a match, you never feel any pressure and as such will never learn to play better.....letting one's teammates down is a big concern for many folks.
 
We all do.....

Pool is unlike any other game in my opinion. Unless you love the game and understand it and what it takes to be above average it must be as boring to watch as golf, bowling and cars going in circles at high speed.

Knowing any shot can be missed and wanting to win creates pressure. If the stakes are high it is magnified. Embrace the "pressure" and shoot through it. It is one of the things that proves the game is off interest to you.

I think running scenarios through your head and visualizing a "pressure shot" and situation helps. Tell your self over and over again to stay calm and make the shot.

I was taught to do "mental preparation" many years ago in some combat hand gun courses and I believe it applies to many situations we may face in life.

If pressure ever goes away in your game you may become bored with pool, so embrace it!
 
I struggle on teams because I play more conservatively when others are depending on my success. Playing only for myself, I'll take those tough shots, be more aggressively offensive, and generally it pays off. Playing for a team, I'll question whether the tough shot is the best choice which can lead to missing it or choosing an ill-advised safety after convincing myself it's the smart move. I play under my level during team play as a result.

This rings a bell.

I second guess myself a lot in team play. I play safe when I should play aggressive. And I find myself thinking of my teammates when I should be thinking about the table.
 
I am a chronic choker.

Last night at league for example I followed the cue ball straight into the side pocket after the 8. I have no words for this, there's nothing to learn or even practice here, I will execute the shot correctly 100% of the time if I practice it (similar things like this have happened before, where I go to practice a shot missed during a tourney or league, and I execute it correctly 50/50 or 60/60 times in practice afterwards.)

I'm seriously considering stopping playing league pool entirely, because I can't handle watching myself do things like this.

For some reason, my play when I'm on a team is garbage. Playing individually even for money is different, I can play just fine for money. But throw me on a team and I turn into a completely different player. I miss easy pots, can't see patterns, and just make continuously really bad choices at the table.

Anybody else have any choking stories?

... Or better yet, ideas/suggestions on why we do this, and how to overcome it?


Wrote this a long time ago. Some of it may strike a cord...or not.

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If you're playing in a league, or a tournament, or for money, or maybe just playing someone you'd REALLY like to beat, chances are you're going to experience the pounding heart and sweaty shaking hands syndrome -- that's just normal. (You may also cease to mentally function and just experience brain lock :-) The solution is really pretty simple: repeatedly put yourself in the same situation until the unusual becomes normal. Eventually, you'll walk up to the table to shoot the money ball just as relaxed as you would take a stroll through the park. A good thing to do is to understand the psychological side of playing pool and for this I recommend Dr. Faucher's "Pleasures of Small Motions."



The second part of what's going on revolves around unrealistic expectations. This boils down to simply believing that it is within your ability to make shots that you cannot. The problem for most of us is that we watch the pros in person, or on television, or perhaps on an Accu-Stats tape, and we see the good players at our local room and they make it look so easy. They make it look *so* easy we lose sight of how crushingly difficult the game actually is and we become disappointed in ourselves when we can't do this simple thing. I recall watching Willie Mosconi run a 100 and I literally rushed to my pool hall thinking, "Well, that's so easy -- anyone should be able to do that!" Of course when I got there and couldn't run more than 10 balls.



And then in practice, in the absence of pressure or distractions, we set up our easiest and favoritest shots, on our preferred table, and fall into a selective memory trap, remembering the shots we whip in (with BIH) and forgetting how many times me missed it or blew the position. From this stems a totally unrealistic set of personal expectations. The next time you think you're "running racks," pay closer attention. Are you really breaking and running out? Or are you just spreading the balls around the table with no clusters, or balls on the rail? Are you starting with an easy BIH? Are you really doing it repeatedly. After all, think of all the shots you'd have to have mastered to do it repeatedly. It's one thing to break them, sinking a bunch of balls, having a wide open spread, and being perfect for your first shot. It's another for the balls to bunch up, with several on the rail, and a long thin cut to start off with...



A few days ago I gave a lesson to a guy who was beating himself up saying, "I can't make a ball today." I had been watching him play and told him that one thing every good pool player has is good probability and risk assessment skills. Setting up a moderately difficult cut shot he had missed in a match, I asked him if he thought he should be able to make it. He said, "Of course." I told him that I guessed he was actually something like one in five for the shot AND if he tried shooting it with the position that he had attempted during the match, he was more like one in 12. He looked at me like I was nuts and I told him to go ahead and shoot it without position -- to just cinch the ball.



One in six.



The third part of the breakdown is getting into a pressure situation and just trying too hard -- unconsciously changing our pre-shot routine and stroke mechanics. In trying to be more careful and precise in our execution, we change the way we shoot -- often times, the changes are subtle, but significant enough to throw off our alignment and stroke. I believe everything from the pre-shot routine to finally pulling the trigger :-) is an organic whole. In other words, you can't just say I'm going to use a certain bridge, a certain grip, with a certain stance and head position. It's also the movements you employ to get into your stance and the motion you employ during your pre-shot routine that impact the final outcome. When we slow down and try to be more careful, everything gets altered. The answer here is to pay attention to the motions and rhythms that work best for you in practice and try as best you can to stick with them in actual play.



Lastly, as we're mid-match and we realize "the wheels are coming off" and we watch them go spinning merrily down the road, we start to think negatively. The mind becomes filled with questions: "Man, why am I playing so bad?" "What am I doing wrong?!" "Why me?!" Of course every bad roll we get (and every good roll our opponent gets) contributes to the toxic sludge that starts coming out our ears. The real problem here is that in thinking about these things, we stop thinking about the shots and our execution. Instead of thinking, "I need to be careful about hitting this shot too hard and may have to apply a bit more english to compensate coming off the rail" we're still thinking about the last shot we blew. Think about the bad stuff after the match, not during.



So here's the thing: playing good pool is hard. Real hard. Playing good pool under pressure is even harder. To compete successfully in the arena you have to step into the arena as often as you can until it becomes your second home. And, you need to have a realistic set of expectations about yourself and your game. Playing good pool demands perfect, consistent precision -- not just once or twice, but on every shot. And to do that, you must have developed a body of knowledge and muscle memory that takes years of play to achieve. It's hard work, concentration, study, experimentation, and hitting thousands upon thousands of balls. And lastly, you have to have your head on straight and a clear thinking mind.
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As a last resort you can try and get your Doctor to prescribe Atavan. The generic is Lorazapam.
Its a mild anti anxiety drug when taken as proscribed.
Calms the nerves down with out putting you in a fog as long as you don't gulp them down.
 
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