Who thinks earl called the 2
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I think the guy with the mullet haircut, whatever you want to label him, is the one who matters here.
It doesn't matter what Earl did or say.
It doesn't matter what Jayson did or say.
It matters what the guy with the mullet haircut, again, whatever you want to label him, said. His decision is the final call, like it or not. It's just how it is in all sports. They're human, capable of errors.
My opinion is that Charlie Williams should have a referee -- ONE REFEREE -- at every single table in the semifinals.
There was a referee on this one... Just sitting too far from the table on a crucial moment, leading to unnecessary controversy in a semi final of great importance... Referees are not easy to be found in Pool, but there was no referee missing here.
Perhaps the biggest flaw was the whole background, not suitable for this kind of situation, a more silent atmosphere.
No criticism is intended, just talking about an interesting and important situation.
Pool is such a fractured industry. It's so expensive to put on one of these events, and, of course, the promoter must profit in addition to creating a good payday for the competitors.
In pool, at least in the States, we do the best we can with the venues. None of them are ideal and pristine, like a professional tennis match or a professional football stadium. So, in pool, we adapt and make the best of it.
Speaking of making the best of it, Petros, I'm going to a Greek Fair later today and enjoying some dolmades and avgolemono soup.
whatever the rule is, just to avoid the same issues again, they should make it a call non-obvious shots requirement. Call combinations, banks, caroms, etc. This is the only rule that keeps a player honest while allowing a player to remain at the table if he played an obvious shot after mistakenly calling another ball under the pressure of a big event. It would be sad to lose an event due to a calling technicality when the game of pool has nothing to do with a player's calling skills. BUT, because this is not the current rule, if Earl really called the 2 he should have lost his turn. It is Jayson's right to call a technical error. BUT it was done out of poor taste, he knew that if Earl made the 10 his chances were over, and he took an opportunity to basically be like "neh neh neh neh neh neh"
Pool is such a fractured industry. It's so expensive to put on one of these events, and, of course, the promoter must profit in addition to creating a good payday for the competitors.
In pool, at least in the States, we do the best we can with the venues. None of them are ideal and pristine, like a professional tennis match or a professional football stadium. So, in pool, we adapt and make the best of it.
Speaking of making the best of it, Petros, I'm going to a Greek Fair later today and enjoying some dolmades and avgolemono soup.
Good points, enjoy some Greek food!!
From Dragon Promotions
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
Wedge
"The official rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
Wedge
I don't care if you like Earl or hate him, or if you're playing for a world title or $20.00, this shot was obvious, he was shooting the 10 ball, plain and simple...
I know rules are rules, so let's just say for arguments sake that Earl called the 2 ball,
( which clearly doesn't have a pocket ) and you heard him call it but knew he was shooting at the 10 ball and if he made it, he would surely win the match... Would you call a foul if he made the 10 ball?
If you say you would, then IMO you are a desperate man, looking for a way to win on a technicality, not on the skill and strength of your on game...
What should have been done was congratulate him, remain silent and true to the spirit of competition. In my eyes, you would have been more of a champion and a gentleman...
I know rules are rules, so let's just say for arguments sake that Earl called the 2 ball,
( which clearly doesn't have a pocket ) and you heard him call it but knew he was shooting at the 10 ball and if he made it, he would surely win the match... Would you call a foul if he made the 10 ball?
If you say you would, then IMO you are a desperate man, looking for a way to win on a technicality, not on the skill and strength of your on game...
What should have been done was congratulate him, remain silent and true to the spirit of competition. In my eyes, you would have been more of a champion and a gentleman...
1. This "official rule" does not appear (up to now) anywhere on official rules links
2. There is no "obvious" shot taking minutes to be called
3. The playable or unplayable situation of the 2 was by fact not fully inspected by the referee, since he was sitting too far, the shot was towards the direction of the 2 as well, and he didn't hear (due to sitting too far) what a spectator was able to record from the other side of the room
4. Not talking about choosing sides here or specific players involved, "Gentleman's rule" includes not only allowing your opponent to continue but accepting your own mistakes and their consequences..
These threads really bring out the Earl haters. Earl earlier ran 135 balls to set the high record. He and Jayson Shaw were almost dead heat within 1 rack of of 200 when Mr. Shaw called for a foul. If this took place in a bar league, most of my friends would recognize it as a sharking move, especially this late in the game. Which was confirmed when Jayson conceded the match rather than wait for Earl to run out the balls.
If you have an issue with the ruling, take it with the tournament, not Earl. He is just a participant.
Straight from Facebook, Jessica Kim
"The official World 14.1 rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
If you have an issue with the ruling, take it with the tournament, not Earl. He is just a participant.
Straight from Facebook, Jessica Kim
"The official World 14.1 rule : If the Player or Referee (as in traditional 14.1 matches) calls the incorrect ball number on an obvious shot, the obvious shot and pocket called supersedes the mistaken numeric call." *in the case with Mr. Strickland's shot, it was obvious to the referee as well as the entire audience he was attempting to shoot the 10ball. He also indicated the shot with his cue beforehand during video replay. Furthermore, the mistaken ball called was the 2ball , which looked unplayable inside the stack with no obvious pocket. Furthermore, the earlier call should have also been in favor of Mr. Strickland on the first obvious shot call. *3 experienced 14.1 experts and officials unanimously agreed on all the above. * We would like to add that we encourage good sportsmanship first and gentlemanly conduct by all players. This includes the "Gentleman's Call" rule on obvious shots.
tap, tap, tap. And the guy who threw a tantrum (not Earl) doesn't get bashed for what Earl usually gets bashed for.
This is like an APA game of 8 ball, with a obvious shot on the 8ball. I would NEVER call anyone out for not "marking" their pocket, ever in a million years. And the fact is Earl didn't call the ten except for those on Jayson's side of the table, where I believe the ref was sitting too, but he heard nothing. Funny how that works
And before folks say this was not "obvious", it's the shot he was looking over and the 2 ball was never a consideration for his shot, never.
And there is more to it, the TD upon announcing his decision he did not refer to this rule but to lack of evidence about the shooter calling another ball... There is clearly an issue here...
Yup! After watching the video, that is exactely what happened.
Clearly a fault by any standard.
Earls rection after Jayson pointing out he called the wrong ball, would cost him the match if this was a snooker game.
This match should be racked again, from after Earls mistake and Jayson should be given his chance to win, fair and square.
I wouldn't be surprised if that rule wasn't added by Charlie Williams to his website or Facebook or wherever it was found, after this match.
Strange that you and others feel that way. I say that, because what would have happened in snooker is Jayson would be disqualified for jumping up and interferring with the match while a ref was present just because he didn't bother to actually know what the rules were. Of course Earl would be upset at such a rule violation by Jayson.