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I really have trouble going thin off a ball when it's 3/4 of the table length or more always hit too much
Actually I see a different shot now, one that I like and am decent at aiming
2 rails long short, yellow ball, long rail red
Admittedly a much harder than normally
But this shot gives ke more confidence
2 rails long short, yellow ball, long rail red
Admittedly a much harder than normally
But this shot gives ke more confidence
Off yellow ball to right long rail
/short rail opposite long rail
Across to 4th diamond right long rail
Down to red ball
Drive the yellow straight up and down the table. The cue ball will hit the long rail close to the corner. Try the shot without side spin and then add spin if needed to get the shot longer. Reduce follow if the shot goes too short as the follow will bend the cue ball back towards the second rail.
This seems like some next level shot the way you two are explaining it to me
I've never seen it done so that could be why I'm having trouble
I try shooting the ball up and down like you said, but the cb hits in the corner and goes to the 3rd diamond on the other long rail, never even comes close to the red
I've never seen it done so that could be why I'm having trouble
I try shooting the ball up and down like you said, but the cb hits in the corner and goes to the 3rd diamond on the other long rail, never even comes close to the red
I'm getting better luck going off the yellow, short long long
I would attempt going off the left side of the red ( as we view from the picture) with a high ball and slow to the yellow. No english sends the cue ball long out of the corner. Long, short, long, or long short long short ( bigger ball this way, my preference)
The only problem is reaching it for a right handed player, but otherwise this offers the truest hit on the first ball and that is usually a very good beginning.
Tom
The only problem is reaching it for a right handed player, but otherwise this offers the truest hit on the first ball and that is usually a very good beginning.
Tom
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I cannot figure out how to share the picture, but in Robert Byrnes "Advanced Techniques In Pool And Billiards" at the bottom of page159, it shows shooting it off of the red ball to the long rail, deep in the corner. With draw and quick stroke, the ball lengthens after contacting the two rails in the corner. Probably not a high percentage shot where the yellow is sitting, but when the yellow is near the end rail, not a bad shot at all. JJ
I may be wrong but I don't think the draw is necessary in this case. if the shot is hit with speed I would say "yes, hit it with draw to pull the cue ball away from the foot rail" Here I don't think a firm hit is needed so a modest push stroke should do fine. Anyway, that's how I would try it. I'm an average 550 player when playing fairly regularly, so I've still got a lot to learn.
Tom
Tom
since i cant tell how far off the end rail the yellow ball is its hard to give you a thickness of hit or spin although it looks like the hits will be rather full and it will take a great stroke
could be a great computer shot but not practical...
the concept is to spin out of the corner to diamond 4 and float to the red
here is a diagram for the 2 possibilities i proposed
looks like in the top diagram i drew the line to diamond 5 not 4
but you get the idea
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The upper one is the shot I suggested.since i cant tell how far off the end rail the yellow ball is its hard to give you a thickness of hit or spin although it looks like the hits will be rather full and it will take a great stroke
could be a great computer shot but not practical...
the concept is tospin out of the corner to diamond 4 and float to the red
here is a diara for the 2 possibilities i proposed
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since i cant tell how far off the end rail the yellow ball is its hard to give you a thickness of hit or spin although it looks like the hits will be rather full and it will take a great stroke
could be a great computer shot but not practical...
the concept is to spin out of the corner to diamond 4 and float to the red
here is a diagram for the 2 possibilities i proposed
looks like in the top diagram i drew the line to diamond 5 not 4
but you get the idea
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Neither of those I feel like can work, but that's just where I am in knowledge right now, hope Im wrong and learn something!
Thanks Larry
since i cant tell how far off the end rail the yellow ball is its hard to give you a thickness of hit or spin although it looks like the hits will be rather full and it will take a great stroke
could be a great computer shot but not practical...
the concept is to spin out of the corner to diamond 4 and float to the red
here is a diagram for the 2 possibilities i proposed
looks like in the top diagram i drew the line to diamond 5 not 4
but you get the idea
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Larry this first one isn't going to work for a couple reasons. First, if you hit the shot with follow the cue ball will run much too long off the third rail. The shot also must be hit no less than half ball, otherwise you send the yellow off the short rails and eventually toward the red. If you hit the shot with enough draw to get the proper angle you will have killed the speed. Trust me,it ain't happening.
The second shot won't work either. for a couple reasons. This time the yellow must be hit with about a 3/4 ball hit to draw the cue ball on the angle you show and that will kill the speed substantially. Too much to get the cue ball to the red. The other problem is you will be sending the yellow 5 rails into the red kicking it away well before the white can get there. Not that it can.
Neither of these shots are better than 25 to 1, if that.:frown:
Tom
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thanks tom for the analysis
i guess i play 3c like a pool player LOL
Another option would be to hit the yellow ball full in the face with high right spin. The idea is for the cueball to hit the short rail first near the yellow; right long rail; and then pick up one of rails before red to score.
You can practice with different speeds to control the yellow for a safety as well as a score. You just need to hit it with a very smooth level high ball stroke, the right spin should take the ball to the general direction.
Dave
P.S. You can always point the fan as needed set on high
