Isn't there enough proof yet?

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7forlife

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Why do knowledgeable people and the like still talk about alt break like it's a lock if you're up two game or more? Countless matches have proven this to be wrong yet you still hear it "oh if he looses this he's gonna need a miracle" or "there's almost no chance of him coming back now is this match being down 4-1 with this alt break format"
WHY?
 
7forlife said:
Why do knowledgeable people and the like still talk about alt break like it's a lock if you're up two game or more? Countless matches have proven this to be wrong yet you still hear it "oh if he looses this he's gonna need a miracle" or "there's almost no chance of him coming back now is this match being down 4-1 with this alt break format"
WHY?
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We wanna see a 10pack and we're sick of all this "it isn't fair" BS in our country.
Jason
 
7forlife said:
Why do knowledgeable people and the like still talk about alt break like it's a lock if you're up two game or more? Countless matches have proven this to be wrong yet you still hear it "oh if he looses this he's gonna need a miracle" or "there's almost no chance of him coming back now is this match being down 4-1 with this alt break format"
WHY?
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Yeah I agree, commentators always say that. But there's probably just as much chance coming back with alternate breaks as winner breaks.
 
7forlife said:
Why do knowledgeable people and the like still talk about alt break like it's a lock if you're up two game or more? Countless matches have proven this to be wrong yet you still hear it "oh if he looses this he's gonna need a miracle" or "there's almost no chance of him coming back now is this match being down 4-1 with this alt break format"
WHY?
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Alt break, nine-ball rack, your own with the #1 ball on spot and I'll bet the guy leading 4-1 all day every day. How much you want to loose? Johnnyt
 
jasonlaus said:
We wanna see a 10pack and we're sick of all this "it isn't fair" BS in our country.
Jason
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that's a personal opinion and not on par with the question. The question is why talk about being down in alt break with two pros playing when there is plenty of proof that you're still in regardless of the score. Unless the other guy is on 8 in a race to 8, then you're done for sure.
 
Johnnyt said:
Alt break, nine-ball rack, your own with the #1 ball on spot and I'll bet the guy leading 4-1 all day every day. How much you want to loose? Johnnyt
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If you can not make up games in alternate break how did the guy get up 4-1?
 
Yeah maybe with the 9 on the spot and 3 balls past headstring.

What's so hard to understand about B n Run players rarely giving up a game on their break?

Yeah, yeah, I know, Fargo sucks, C players can beat A players, you can keep your tip on the ball for 3 diamonds, you have to gamble with players alot better than you to learn, what else?
Jason
 
My last singles tournament I was down 4-1 going to 5 against a real good player alternating break. I finally relaxed and quit trying to play so precise and just started firing balls in. Got to hill-hill. He broke and ran the table then rubbed another ball ever so slightly before making the 8. It really taught me to relax.
 
Why do we need to even discuss alternating break. It has no place in the game, that's my opinion. It changes the dynamics of the game & is a direct result of a lot of whining from those that couldn't keep up with a Shaw or SVB. Freaking millenials & their everybody gets a turn hang up. Pool is a game where it's your turn until you foul, miss or play a safe.
 
7forlife said:
Why do knowledgeable people and the like still talk about alt break like it's a lock if you're up two game or more? Countless matches have proven this to be wrong yet you still hear it "oh if he looses this he's gonna need a miracle" or "there's almost no chance of him coming back now is this match being down 4-1 with this alt break format"
WHY?
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Good post, 7forlife.
My impression is that you find "alt-break" to not be a factor in a player winning or not.
If so, I completely agree.

To me, the break format has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome.
The break format affects both players equally so what's the problem, right?

If a player in a particular match happens to get ahead 5-1 in "alt-break" format,
that right there should speak volumes:
the player ahead had to win on the other player's break more than one time to begin with.
So what stops the losing player from doing the same thing so as catch up?

And so goes the same for "(the) winner-breaks." If the rules apply to both players, it's all relative, a wash.

I think this whining stems from the spectators' perspective.
Spectators like to see players run racks--I get it.
 
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billiardthought said:
This generalization is the same as "old people need to quit the game"
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Well perhaps I overstepped in calling out millenials. Let me rephrase, why since the game originated until about 15 years ago no one considered alternating break much less suggested it? Because it is not the game.
 
boogeyman said:
Good post, 7forlife.
My impression is that you find "alt-break" to not be a factor in a player winning or not.
If so, I completely agree.

To me, the break format has no bearing whatsoever on the outcome.
The break format affects both players equally so what's the problem, right?

If a player in a particular match happens to get ahead 5-1 in "alt-break" format,
that right there should speak volumes:
the player ahead had to win on the other player's break more than one time to begin with.
So what stops the losing player from doing the same thing so as catch up?

And so goes the same for "(the) winner-breaks." If the rules apply to both players, it's all relative, a wash.

I think this whining stems from the spectators' perspective.
Spectators like to see players run racks--I get it.
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That's my whole point Boog. The same thing that made one player up can happen and make him down, granted a player with a quote unquote "good break" has an edge in any game but he remains at the mercy of the table. Dry break, scratch, early combo and when dealing with pros (who i'm mostly targeting) a run out and BAM so why so they keep ruling out the other guy soooo much at this point is what i'm trying to get a grasp on.
and about the break, if i take a D player "lol" say that Jeff Rosen guy "nothing personal Jeff" and he has a hella break but can't run the table then what?
It's a forum (sometimes) and i just figured i'd ask a question, didn't mean for it to fall in the "hey why you asking this question" category.
 
The Alt. break

The Alternate Break is an evolution of the pool game in an effort to make every one have an "equal" opportunity. Although it appears to me as a way for a less skilled player to gain access to the table by taking the break away from a more skilled player who worked hard on perfecting their break.

I could care less about the breaking format pro players use in any given tournament.

If a pro does not like "Alternate or Winner Breaks," then don't enter the tournament as the breaking format is known before play starts. Same goes for the viewer, watch what ever breaking format you like. Seems so simple to this old guy.

Debating which system is best will never end. To me a short set, is any set under 11 games for a pro in 9 Ball, but I doubt we all agree on what a short set is.

So is "Alternate Breaking" more important in short or long sets.?

I see the "Alternate Break" as a way for a less skilled player to be given an opportunity to get to the table. If that is not correct then why do it. Should both players have equal access to the table? Yes, they should and that access should be earned the good old American way, through hard work and skill.

Not the "new American way", which is my manipulating rules in an effort to help my less skillful play.

For the majority of the pool playing world the break is not that important to their game as they often get more then one chance at the table in a game because the majority are not run out players.

Many of you can give me the break and still beat me. Maybe I should work on my game. Heck with that, if you pocket more then 3 balls in a row it is my turn at the table. Just kidding.

I have a buddy who is a better player then me. We always have a shoot out and play winner breaks and enjoy it, I would not want to change our winner breaks rack your own format.

Most of the guys that come over to shoot do not play as good as me, so I often play "Alternate Breaks" with them. I do it because I want them to enjoy the game of pool and win some games and feel good about it when they leave. So I make sure they do.
 
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