If you don't understand CTE...

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On and on and on....same old routines.

Dan White said:
Well, with this post, at least we can be sure which group you belong to. :wink:
More to the point, though, when you say you understand the system what exactly are you talking about? Everybody understands the a,b,c's of lining up for a shot and hitting it, but it seems to be a mystery to all CTE supporters, and I suspect even to Stan, about how it actually works.
The skeptics understand that the gaps in CTE are filled in by a player's experience. "CTE Pro1 GFY" cult members dispute this yet at the same time are unable to present a plausible explanation. The closest thing I've gotten is that the rails and pockets cause an optical illusion that makes a visual appear to be the same all the time yet yield different shot results. I'm not buying that, sorry.
So, since you understand how CTE works, do you care to enlighten the rest of us?
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Mister White... *sigh*
I have watched you ask this same question over and over in various ways.
Some poor soul usually gets suckered into 'trying to enlighten you'.
And then you turn right around with another question, another challenge, another this, another that, another what if, etc.etc.
It tells me that you are not interested really in understanding CTE, using CTE, or really giving a flip about CTE..............................you just want to practice your debating skills (which are pretty good) and be a crusader for a cause that you're OCD about
Given all that, why would anyone in their right mind try to convince you or explain to you anything additional about the process?
 
BeiberLvr said:
Plenty of us understand the system. It's been explained in numerous ways and there are still some that don't understand.
That can only mean one of two things.
A. Those who understand are more intelligent
B. Those who understand are less intelligent
If A is true, then will those that still dont understand, admit they lack the intelligence to understand the system?
If B is true, then why would those who don't understand wish to lower their intelligence in order to understand a system which they have no interest in using?
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Your logic is impeccable.
tap tap tap
 
GoldenFlash said:
Mister White... *sigh*
I have watched you ask this same question over and over in various ways.
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And yet, no matter how many times I ask and in how many different ways, nobody give me an answer. Isn't that odd? Why don't you answer the question instead of just watching me ask it. I'm not convinced you know what the question is, actually. The only attempt at an answer was mohrt theorizing that the table fools your eyes depending on where they are on the table. Do you believe that happens?

Some poor soul usually gets suckered into 'trying to enlighten you'.
And then you turn right around with another question, another challenge, another this, another that, another what if, etc.etc.
It tells me that you are not interested really in understanding CTE, using CTE, or really giving a flip about CTE..............................you just want to practice your debating skills (which are pretty good) and be a crusader for a cause that you're OCD about
Given all that, why would anyone in their right mind try to convince you or explain to you anything additional about the process?
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re: bold... No, it's pretty much always the same question, unanswered to this day and for the last 20 years. I see you've graduated to one of my favorite answers (the part in blue). This can be translated to something like, "I know the answer but I just don't feel like telling you." It's a corollary of "Nah nah nah" and "I'm telling mommy on you"! :)
 
What happened to your "I give up".....?

Dan White said:
And yet, no matter how many times I ask and in how many different ways, nobody give me an answer. Isn't that odd? Why don't you answer the question instead of just watching me ask it. I'm not convinced you know what the question is, actually. The only attempt at an answer was mohrt theorizing that the table fools your eyes depending on where they are on the table. Do you believe that happens?
re: bold... No, it's pretty much always the same question, unanswered to this day and for the last 20 years. I see you've graduated to one of my favorite answers (the part in blue). This can be translated to something like, "I know the answer but I just don't feel like telling you." It's a corollary of "Nah nah nah" and "I'm telling mommy on you"! :)
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Your mediocre efforts at twisted ridicule only indicate (to me at least) that you are still lost in the past.
I guess that's okay to live in the past, but I myself prefer to fly by a multi-engine airliner rather than ride a Greyhound bus. (that's a metaphor, by the way,.... for the unwashed masses in Rio Linda)
:smile:
 
GoldenFlash said:
Your mediocre efforts at twisted ridicule only indicate (to me at least) that you are still lost in the past.
I guess that's okay to live in the past, but I myself prefer to fly by a multi-engine airliner rather than ride a Greyhound bus. (that's a metaphor, by the way,.... for the unwashed masses in Rio Linda)
:smile:
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Just a little Friday evening humor. Of course, as you probably know, Rush says the best humor is based in fact.
 
Dan White said:
And yet, no matter how many times I ask and in how many different ways, nobody give me an answer. Isn't that odd? Why don't you answer the question instead of just watching me ask it. I'm not convinced you know what the question is, actually. The only attempt at an answer was mohrt theorizing that the table fools your eyes depending on where they are on the table. Do you believe that happens?



re: bold... No, it's pretty much always the same question, unanswered to this day and for the last 20 years. I see you've graduated to one of my favorite answers (the part in blue). This can be translated to something like, "I know the answer but I just don't feel like telling you." It's a corollary of "Nah nah nah" and "I'm telling mommy on you"! :)
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And why do you keep on saying the same lies over and over and over on here? You have been given the answer numerous times and in detail. The fact that you dismiss the answers given does not mean that no one has answered. For you to say so is nothing more than an outright lie. Not to mention that now you are using the exact same line that Rick like to used. It doesn't look any better with you stating it over and over.
 
Dan White said:
And yet, no matter how many times I ask and in how many different ways, nobody give me an answer. Isn't that odd? Why don't you answer the question instead of just watching me ask it. I'm not convinced you know what the question is, actually. The only attempt at an answer was mohrt theorizing that the table fools your eyes depending on where they are on the table. Do you believe that happens?

re: bold... No, it's pretty much always the same question, unanswered to this day and for the last 20 years. I see you've graduated to one of my favorite answers (the part in blue). This can be translated to something like, "I know the answer but I just don't feel like telling you." It's a corollary of "Nah nah nah" and "I'm telling mommy on you"! :)
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You sure have a way of putting words into people's mouths. Let me rephrase that for you. As for the WHY: My understanding is, our perception (eyes, brain) looking at a pool table (2x1 pockets at 90s) with two spheres (balls), there is a perception phenomena that happens such that when we put our eyes in the correct offset from the balls, we can see a center cueball that is the solution to pocketing the ball. It is consistent and repeatable. This isn't something we first have to make up and then trick ourselves into believing. Rather, the phenomena exists and is there, and it is only a matter of identifying it and observing it.

You keep saying no one can explain why it works, and that is your question all along. Actually this goes deeper for you specifically: as you have stated you are not able to make it work. So it is the WHY first, and HOW later, for you. For many of us the HOW is already understood.
 
mohrt said:
You sure have a way of putting words into people's mouths. Let me rephrase that for you. As for the WHY: My understanding is, our perception (eyes, brain) looking at a pool table (2x1 pockets at 90s) with two spheres (balls), there is a perception phenomena that happens such that when we put our eyes in the correct offset from the balls, we can see a center cueball that is the solution to pocketing the ball. It is consistent and repeatable. This isn't something we first have to make up and then trick ourselves into believing. Rather, the phenomena exists and is there, and it is only a matter of identifying it and observing it.

You keep saying no one can explain why it works, and that is your question all along. Actually this goes deeper for you specifically: as you have stated you are not able to make it work. So it is the WHY first, and HOW later, for you. For many of us the HOW is already understood.
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Actually, you only have a perception of how it works, not how it works....big difference.

One can have a perception of how a car works and be totally wrong about how it really works.
 
duckie said:
Actually, you only have a perception of how it works, not how it works....big difference.

One can have a perception of how a car works and be totally wrong about how it really works.
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So if I step on the accelerator and the car goes... do I need to be a mechanical engineer to drive the car? The point is, we don't need to understand all the nuances of perceptual vision to execute CTE at a very high level of success.
 
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Optical Illusion ........i.e. What you think you are seeing isn't real.......your vision is being fooled.

It just users of CTE don't know this is what is happening. It's a visual illusion that is manifested in ones mind.

If it was real.....it could be explained like how a car works and not rely on preceptions.
 
duckie said:
Optical Illusion ........i.e. What you think you are seeing isn't real.......your vision is being fooled.

It just users of CTE don't know this is what is happening. It's a visual illusion that is manifested in ones mind.

If it was real.....it could be explained like how a car works and not rely on preceptions.
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The truth to the matter is that it is highly accurate, predictable, reliable. I can drop into a shot and shoot CCB to pocket the ball cleanly. Move the balls enough to not fall into another shot category, and use the same perception to hit the pocket clean again. There is no denying it is "real" in the sense that I can clearly see what I'm doing and what I'm shooting at.
 
mohrt said:
You sure have a way of putting words into people's mouths. Let me rephrase that for you. As for the WHY: My understanding is, our perception (eyes, brain) looking at a pool table (2x1 pockets at 90s) with two spheres (balls), there is a perception phenomena that happens such that when we put our eyes in the correct offset from the balls, we can see a center cueball that is the solution to pocketing the ball. It is consistent and repeatable. This isn't something we first have to make up and then trick ourselves into believing. Rather, the phenomena exists and is there, and it is only a matter of identifying it and observing it.

You keep saying no one can explain why it works, and that is your question all along. Actually this goes deeper for you specifically: as you have stated you are not able to make it work. So it is the WHY first, and HOW later, for you. For many of us the HOW is already understood.
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I'm not going to keep going in circles on this. You are taking a whole paragraph to say the same thing I did: the shape of the table fools your eye (brain, perception) into thinking you are aiming at a particular visual (CTELA for example) on various different shots.

Just making this claim does not make it true. I understand that you don't care how it works and that's fine with me. What's not fine is someone making a buck off people who don't know any better by making claims that have not been proven. And, again, just saying something does not constitute proof.
 
JB Cases said:
Does it say anywhere in there that Rodney said he uses CTE? No it says he was shown some CTE by Stevie and got pointed in the right direction.

Now one can INFER from that that Rodney was using some elements of CTE that led him to talk about it when detailing his accomplishment.

I made the headline of Rodney beats ghost using CTE to get the conversation started.
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I was shown a better way to aim. That's why I'm hitting em a lot better. Stevie Moore showed me a little about CTE Pro1. Center to Edge got me started in the right direction, and I'm practicing that for awhile now. Pretty neat"
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Then he stopped using it ?

You were all excited to report Rodney was using CTE.

Then he started teaching the ghost ball on video.
 
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Dan White said:
Just making this claim does not make it true. I understand that you don't care how it works and that's fine with me. What's not fine is someone making a buck off people who don't know any better by making claims that have not been proven. And, again, just saying something does not constitute proof.
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Then purchase the DVD. Hire a lawyer and sue the shit out of Stan.
 
It's not that I don't care how it works, I tried to solve it for the first year of using it. I'm welcome to discussion about it. When you say I see something not there, well that is not true. It's
plain as day. It is a perceptional thing, for sure. Talking in circles is right, you keep circling back to the same argument. If it were a placebo, no way would it be this consistent and accurate.

As far as not being proven, I think it can be clearly proven how it works, but not proven exactly why it works in exact words you would be content with. I really think we can revisit after Stan puts out the framework video, it is quite complete.
 
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duckie said:
Optical Illusion ........i.e. What you think you are seeing isn't real.......your vision is being fooled.

It just users of CTE don't know this is what is happening. It's a visual illusion that is manifested in ones mind.

If it was real.....it could be explained like how a car works and not rely on preceptions.
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The how can be explained very finely. You don't know what you don't know. Ignorance is bliss. How can I be "fooled" into seeing something plain as day, and pockets balls very cleanly? Not possible. An illusion that isn't really there would not garner those kind of results.
 
YES, CTE can be explained very clearly and I have worked my tail off for years and years to do just that in my free upcoming video series and my forthcoming book.

Outta here again!

Stan Shuffett
 
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