And what if a pool pro tried to compete with the better snooker players? Or the 3c players?
Do you think teyd fare well?
I dont.
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And what if a pool pro tried to compete with the better snooker players? Or the 3c players?
Do you think teyd fare well?
I dont.
Many have tried and failed. This shouldn't be taken as a slight on the game of pool - pool is an amazing game that deserves to be played in a local pub for kicks and at a world championship for generous prize money. More snooker players should, and would, indulge if the respect for the game was there. The future of the game of pool is probably in Asia. In North America, the "pro" game is often played without referees (which is utterly ridiculous) and in Europe its tough to make anything pay for itself unless investment is big.
I liked that show, much better done than the TruTV one we had in the US. Of course the budget was probably several times greater for this one, they could afford to have Earl in this one LOL
Well really that guy was not much of a pool player, he probably could not name may of the US pro players either.
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Thats a really excellent point. When he tried to hustle the older man in the pool room who was later told that Ronnie won 5 world snooker titles, he not only hadn't heard of Ronnie but the significance of the feat didn't seem to register with him.
Yes but he would understand the significance of winning 5 world 9-ball or 8-ball titles if he had been playing a pro pool player he had never heard of.
The discussion was about whether the show should have an introduction at the start to give a background of Ronnie and the significance of the game of snooker as the dominant cue sport in order to enlighten the general viewers (particularly American) who are unfamiliar with Ronnie and the game of snooker. In view of that I think yes they should have because in the UK he is a house-hold name.
Originally Posted by HaroldWilson View Post
Thats a really excellent point. When he tried to hustle the older man in the pool room who was later told that Ronnie won 5 world snooker titles, he not only hadn't heard of Ronnie but the significance of the feat didn't seem to register with him.
Yes but he would understand the significance of winning 5 world 9-ball or 8-ball titles if he had been playing a pro pool player he had never heard of.
The discussion was about whether the show should have an introduction at the start to give a background of Ronnie and the significance of the game of snooker as the dominant cue sport in order to enlighten the general viewers (particularly American) who are unfamiliar with Ronnie and the game of snooker. In view of that I think yes they should have because in the UK he is a house-hold name.
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Not sure about the defense of pool. I... in no way...intended to imply it isn't a beautiful game played by ugly people. Hell, I am still playing it.
I only meant to state snookers elite can't compete with 3c or pool's better players. Nor can 3c play with pool or snooker...neither can poolers compete in snooker or 3c.
You and me and Bobby McGee :wink::smile:
My guess is that if you flooded pool comps with elite snooker players that the snooker players would destroy the field. There would be a few situations where they would be found out but this wouldn't happen often enough for one of them not to win more often than they would. Long race for money is a different animal but snooker's better players can compete with pool players in any discipline and would adapt over time.
Give a 3 cushion, or pool, or snooker specialist a long enough race against a non-specialist and the specialist will usually win for sure. But enter non specialists in tournaments and we have only ever seen snooker players win. Snooker players have been given wild cards to pool tournaments at the pro level. Pool players are yet to qualify for pro snooker tournaments.
I will definitely agree snooker to pool is far more likely than vice-versa.
Whay do the make that table so damn big for?!
Whay do the make that table so damn big for?!
Those free-throws tell you something about snooker and finesse.
I wonder how he golfs.
I wonder how he golfs.
Thanks for posting the episode here, really enjoyed it. But:
1) It's a little confusing when "kid delicious" is giving tips about the break on 9 ball. He is talking about the importance of the 1, 9, 8 and 6 to be touching. Immediatly, the camera shot changes and those balls are in different location, but the Kid continues to talk about how important is for those balls to be touching... So... What was the Kid was talking about? a) 1, 8 on the right, 9 and 6 as the left wing ball? or b) 1, 8 and 6 in the 2nd row???
2) It's a shame that the camera man OBVIOUSLY doesn't have a single clue about 3c billiards... He is filming the red ball, while the cue ball travels all around the table 3-4 coushions for the carom...
1) It's a little confusing when "kid delicious" is giving tips about the break on 9 ball. He is talking about the importance of the 1, 9, 8 and 6 to be touching. Immediatly, the camera shot changes and those balls are in different location, but the Kid continues to talk about how important is for those balls to be touching... So... What was the Kid was talking about? a) 1, 8 on the right, 9 and 6 as the left wing ball? or b) 1, 8 and 6 in the 2nd row???
2) It's a shame that the camera man OBVIOUSLY doesn't have a single clue about 3c billiards... He is filming the red ball, while the cue ball travels all around the table 3-4 coushions for the carom...
Wow! How good is this? The four part series has been picked from the niche market History Channel to Sky 1 HD in a prime time spot on this mass market channel.
This is a mega move. But I am unhappy that I never got paid or even credited for research work that I did on the series, especially now that it has a wider coverage.
This is a mega move. But I am unhappy that I never got paid or even credited for research work that I did on the series, especially now that it has a wider coverage.
I agree, Steve Mizerak, Jim Rempe, Alex Pagulayan and other pro pool players have all given pro snooker a go with little success. I also agree what you are saying about snooker players needing to have a bit of time under their belts playing pool to be really competitive in the tournaments, even the elite ones.
I played on the UK Pro 9-ball tour and also at the WC 9-ball qualifiers when it was played in Cardiff and the WC 8-ball qualifiers in Manchester and a lot of the established pool players had been snooker professionals previously who had not made the grade. For example, Darryl Peach, Majid, Mark Gray etc.
I also often came across and played inexperienced elite top 32 snooker players who just turned up to the events because they lived locally or to give them a crack.
These guys were just raw potting machines and were not as much of a handful as one might expect and I preferred drawing them over a well seasoned pool player because they had no idea of tactics, banks, jump shots and positional play.
I remember speaking to a Pro 9ball player called Steve Higton who was once a snooker pro who believed that a snooker player needed at least 2-3 years playing 9-ball etc to learn the game properly in order to be competitive and the elite players are not going to be able to put that amount of time into it unless they drop off the circuit.
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This totally changed my perception of Ronnie O. From watching his matches and interviews I kinda thought he was a a *****. He really seemed like a likable down to earth guy.
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talented
he's the most talented pool player alive
he's the most talented pool player alive
not sure about pool but definitely the most talented snooker player who has ever lived.
Yep it definitely takes time to master the games. Snooker players competed well against pool players in short races in the early days of the Mosconi cup but not too much should be read into that as it's a different environment. Steve Davis was very competitive in his 9 Ball World Championship appearances - his victories against elite players and runs to the last 16 and last 8 go some way to illustrate that pool has enough variance for snooker specialists (or non-master players in general) to compete on a fairly level playing field if the balls run their way. Davis was always very honest in his assessment of his ability to play pool - a game he has tons of respect for and helped to promote. He has always been an incredibly honest player who sees things for what they are. Tony Drago, perhaps the only pro pool player who had previously "made it" as a snooker player (top 10 ranked, over a million (in old money - worth more now) in prize money, pro tournament wins and deep runs in major tournaments, proved that the transition can be made.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the USA will some day produce cueists who become world class snooker players. It's also not impossible that current established professional pool players could make the transition but they would have to sacrifice a lot and be totally dedicated to the game.
I don't think Efren played tournaments, but I seem to recall he played money games against some of the top snooker pro's and hit century breaks...I may be wrong but I vaguely recall Steve Davis, Jimmy White and possibly even Ronnie complementing his snooker.
That said I could have just imagined that as I can't find a link to back it up!
They do say he is a 5 time champ at the beginning of the show.
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I lol'd, Rogan's Earl impression kills me.