Palmer value
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Thanks Chop
Thanks for the confirmation-
Honestly, they are pretty decent players IMHO, and very affordable classics.
I think the value is adversely affected by a steady stream of brand new cues that were discovered under Abe's wood pile after he died. They are being sold two or three at a time on Ebay.
Once in a while one will come up with points or even a Titlist conversion. Those are "special". A Rich Titlist conversion is a real treasure as is any Titlist conversion by any legendary maker. Obviously those example can have substantially stronger value, but still are relatively affordable.
But these more common Rich cues are special as well and I think they are a nice way to enjoy a classic by a legendary maker for relatively little money. For those unable or unwilling to put more money into a cue but would like to collect or just enjoy an old classic, these are a great option.
I have several nice examples and spent very little. One I got in a second hand shop for $3, it was in an umbrella stand! Luckily it had not been abused and is perfect. I got a window cue with pearl dots for $80 from an estate sale, also perfect condition. Another with pearl rings and dots I paid closer to fair market value but am very happy with it.
My ideal Rich cue would be a Titlist conversion with two original shafts. That would be a treasure. :smile:
As an aside, there are many "cheap clones" out there: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Elt...339605?hash=item3f75442415:g:wHsAAOSw4DJYm0oA
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It is an Abe Rich cue and should bring at least $300 to the end user. I will give your guy $200 for it and I already own several of Abe's cues. And I paid more than that for everyone of them. I paid Abe $800 in person for a brand new one from his old stock shortly before he died.
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A brand new Rich window cue did recently sell on Ebay for 275. And it did not have the pearl dots or the knurled rings in the window...and it didn't have a leather wrap. Some similar have gone for substantially less in the last couple years though.
The value may indeed be closer to $300. Still a tremendous value I think.
You paid $800 for one? Wow. I didn't think Abe's prices even went that high. But the price sheets I have seen were probably 20 years old I think.
I think an offer of $200 is pretty fair all around. I paid $180 about 2 years ago for the one I have that I think was near market value. It is very similar to this but with a two tone wrap that includes genuine Cortland linen.
The one in this post looks to be in pretty darned nice condition.
Their continued availability is holding the prices down but they are certainly holding value and will only hold value or appreciate in the future especially for nicer examples.
I paid $180 for this on the open market:
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The value may indeed be closer to $300. Still a tremendous value I think.
You paid $800 for one? Wow. I didn't think Abe's prices even went that high. But the price sheets I have seen were probably 20 years old I think.
I think an offer of $200 is pretty fair all around. I paid $180 about 2 years ago for the one I have that I think was near market value. It is very similar to this but with a two tone wrap that includes genuine Cortland linen.
The one in this post looks to be in pretty darned nice condition.
Their continued availability is holding the prices down but they are certainly holding value and will only hold value or appreciate in the future especially for nicer examples.
I paid $180 for this on the open market:
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rosewood is probably a safer assumption.
I always thought there was a distinction betwwen a rich q and an abe rich cue.
so, you guys are saying abe rich made that cue in his shop?
so, you guys are saying abe rich made that cue in his shop?
Rich Q is not Abe Rich.
Yes, this was made by Abe Rich.
I don't think anybody here has called it a "Rich Q". I did call it a "Rich cue"...perhaps that made some confusion?
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Yes, I believe this is Abe's work.
And it can be hard to tell some apart actually.
There were several brands that were virtually identical, even Sears and Murray looked identical. I believe that's because they were likely made in the Rich shop in New York.
Worth restoring?
Some people will restore anything with the tiniest of nicks, but I don't see anything in the pictures that would give reason to restore that cue.
Hi and thanks for your reply. Correct about "restore" not needed, It's that I have a thing about pristine condition. It has a small nick but nothing major. Considering the age it is in very good condition. I will leave it alone and simply hang it on the rack.
As for tiniest of nicks...I bought a custom for about $1000 in 2000. I managed to nick the butt real good...I had it refinished...and never used it again.
edit...I did obtain the Rich from the owner.
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Refinishing
Soap Box Warning
I would prefer and value a cue with a nick or blemish over one that was sent in for a spa treatment to appear better than new. That is because of my interest in originality. Frank Paradise for example, didn't apply automotive clear to his cues and he didn't wrap them with thread from Atlas Billiards.
Unfortunately, there are a ton of cues out there that have been refinished that bear no resemblance to how they appeared when new. If an appreciation for originality, similar to that which exists in the guitar or automotive worlds, ever develops in the billiards world, many cue owners, including myself are going to be sorry they ever sent 80%-95% cues off to be resprayed and rewrapped.
Rant over. As you were.
Soap Box Warning
I would prefer and value a cue with a nick or blemish over one that was sent in for a spa treatment to appear better than new. That is because of my interest in originality. Frank Paradise for example, didn't apply automotive clear to his cues and he didn't wrap them with thread from Atlas Billiards.
Unfortunately, there are a ton of cues out there that have been refinished that bear no resemblance to how they appeared when new. If an appreciation for originality, similar to that which exists in the guitar or automotive worlds, ever develops in the billiards world, many cue owners, including myself are going to be sorry they ever sent 80%-95% cues off to be resprayed and rewrapped.
Rant over. As you were.
That is sad ....defeats the purpose