Learn with an aiming system or not

[JB Cases]

The problem with guys like you is that they are so clueless and in a effort to hide this fault, make up a lot of bullshit.

Like what? You made a challenge to explain why CTE is better than GB and I used the Arrow template that you tout so highly which you got from a 1960s book written for beginners to test it compared to CTE.

https://youtu.be/fMNs82JOumU

And yesterday I made a short video based on your lack of understanding of what a half-ball hit is.

https://youtu.be/BCmb5zkLQa0

 

[SJDinPHX]

....So please stop with silly comments that if x-aiming system were so great everyone using it would be a top player. It's a ignorant red herring argument and pretty weak. I know you are smarter than that so it must be that you are making this weak and easily defeated point just to try and be snarky. Or I am wrong and you're not as smart as I give you credit for.

Here is a video I made on this topic years ago.->??????

Stroking On The Known Line
https://youtu.be/2Vd0yHk8LMw

John, I find it amazing that you can not see what you do all the time!...You call Shawn's (or anyone else who disagrees with you) arguments, weak and unsubstantiated, snarky, stupid, and everything else!...Then you will use one of your own videos, to prove your own reasoning for besmirching and ridiculing those viewpoints!

That is the pinnacle of conceit, and snarkiness?..Are you the only one who can ever be right?..Your hours of videos, only lead to you having to spend over half your posts explaining and defending your position to almost the entire forum!....Can't you see that ?....Good God man, puleeeeze, wake up and give it a rest!

 

[JB Cases]

The Ghost ball method I learned with came from the Joe Davis book "On Snooker".

He taught me the area method of aiming. By that he meant the Area of the object ball that is eclipsed by the Ghost ball. It gives you a very large target to aim at and is easy to teach.

It works well for me and most would agree that I pocket balls very well.

The main thing I like about it is that it is simple. No Pivots? No edges? no other needless adjustments. Just look at the area and shoot.

Bill S.

That's called fractional aiming and it's been extensively covered on here. Steve Davis even said that there are only five angles to be concerned with.

Works great if you are good at recognizing the angles and can adjust for the in-betweeners.

CTE however is more precise.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

 

[JB Cases]

But, but, but, good players don't use that because it's not good.
j/k

Jeesh, now I'm gonna try to find that book. :grin:

I have it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

 

[JB Cases]

You're speaking from the side of your mouth.
It's not easier but you use it ?
" I could always go back to it." Your own words before.

Hal himself said there is no such thing as the ghost ball.
If you are using CTE, THERE IS NO GHOST BALL OR CONTACT POINTS.
You are dealing with table geometry, REMEMBER?

Haha, you speak but you never listen.

Precision Aiming for Safety Play
https://youtu.be/Gbjl_8wtcS8

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

 

[JoeyInCali]

I have it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

You're sitting on a gold mine and you're panning for lead in the ocean?

 

[JB Cases]

In reading John's countless posts about systems, I honestly wonder how he leaves home every day, and gets to work. There must be doorknob turning systems. Drinking a cup of coffee systems. Having to look at your shoes to tie them systems. Don't even get me started on how he drives to work - I'm hoping he takes the bus.

If you raise the height of stairs in your house 1/8", you will trip and fall flat on your face. Your mind and body figure out a whole bunch of things on their own, and stick it into your subconscious mind. Things like when to blink. Or when to breathe. Or how to tie a shoelace without looking at it. You just do it.

When you've shot a shot enough times, you don't have to aim. You just "recognize" it. And the shot shoots itself. Leaves the mind to think about other things - like having a straight stroke, or an effective preshot routine. Maybe John needs to free his mind of the clutter in order to improve his mechanics. Because he's painful to listen to, and watch, in his videos. I'd take up darts if that was the only instructional material available on pool.

I have a system for work....It's called create a great product and train a great team to build it and thus have free time to pursue my other interests.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

 

[JB Cases]

John, I find it amazing that you can not see what you do all the time!...You call Shawn's (or anyone else who disagrees with you) arguments, weak and unsubstantiated, snarky, stupid, and everything else!...Then you will use one of your own videos, to prove your own reasoning for besmirching and ridiculing those viewpoints!

That is the pinnacle of conceit, and snarkiness?..Are you the only one who can ever be right?..Your hours of videos, only lead to you having to spend over half your posts defending your position to almost the entire forum!....Can't you see that ?....Good God man, puleeeeze, wake up and give it a rest!

No I have made the same points long before they did....Only they and you ATTEMPT to put words in our mouths claiming we say that aiming systems turn bangers into champions when we have not made such claims.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N920A using Tapatalk

 

[SilverCue]

I suggest using ghost ball, contact point, double the distance (another form of ghost ball) with a head / eye alignment system like "Perfect Aim". See Dr Dave's FAQ pages.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

John, I find it amazing that you can not see what you do all the time!...You call Shawn's (or anyone else who disagrees with you) arguments, weak and unsubstantiated, snarky, stupid, and everything else!...Then you will use one of your own videos, to prove your own reasoning for besmirching and ridiculing those viewpoints!

That is the pinnacle of conceit, and snarkiness?..Are you the only one who can ever be right?..Your hours of videos, only lead to you having to spend over half your posts explaining and defending your position to almost the entire forum!....Can't you see that ?....Good God man, puleeeeze, wake up and give it a rest!

His videos are awesome. He's got the voice of a prepubescent 15 year old boy. The stroke of an APA 3/4, and the rapier wit of Rain Man. "5 minutes to my next Internet argument".

I'm glad he thinks I'm stupid. I'd be scared, quite frankly, if he admired, or agreed with, me.

 

[SJDinPHX]

No I have made the same points long before they did....Only they and you ATTEMPT to put words in our mouths claiming we say that aiming systems turn bangers into champions when we have not made such claims.

Those things have nothing to do with my assertions of your consistent, avowed superiority! ..And now you are also saying you did everything FIRST, so I guess nobody else's opinions should even count, huh?...I give up, again!

PS..I may have to start drinking again, just to get through trying to reason with you!

 

[GoldenFlash]

A voice of reason......

I would have to say you have to do what works for you whether it be feel, HAMB, CTE, Ghost Ball or whatever else. For me I used to guess and go strictly on feel and for bank shots I still do with good success. I learned an aiming method a few years back and it really helped my game. I would say it helped me more then anything.
This along with practice, tournaments, action, streaming videos and watching videos helped me to improve a couple balls. My pocketing went up quite a bit as I knew where to hit the ball using the shaft method. Biggest thing though was keeping still and working on mechanics which drills certainly improved upon these shortcomings.
To become a good solid player it takes so many things, there is no magic bullet but for me the aiming method I learned made sense to me so therefor it worked for me. Do what works for you but please don't bash those with aiming systems if it works for them because I don't bash feel players especially when they are making the balls.

I've seen you play under pressure for the gelt. You're a hitter, for sure
You know of what you speak and it is certainly a breath of fresh air in this aiming discussion place.
I agree with your posting......"live and let live" comes to mind.
Regards,
Flash

 

[SJDinPHX]

I've seen you play under pressure for the gelt. You're a hitter, for sure
You know of what you speak and it is certainly a breath of fresh air in this aiming discussion place.
I agree with your posting......"live and let live" comes to mind.
Regards,
Flash

Golden Flush..Lenny's m'bud!..Unlike myself, he is a master of diplomacy!..He is just trying to avoid telling Barton, that he knows he is a complete, overstuffed know-it-all turkey!

PS..Good job Lendon!..JB doesn't suspect a thing.. (he probably thinks you got smart, from watching his videos)

 

[Neil]

You CTEers can't read. I haven't said CTE doesn't work. I have said it doesn't work ANY BETTER than any other aiming system. Otherwise, CTE users would be all amongst the top 10 players in the world. Yet I don't see one. Landon is a strong player. Stan is a strong player. Stevie is a strong player. But there are stronger players out there that aren't using an aiming system. Or are using different systems. The system MAY work for you. But there are a vast majority of us that don't feel like learning a new system. And we aren't closed minded. We have just learned our own system, and like it.

I don't see any statistical data proving that CTE is a more accurate system. Just conjecture and "belief". So stop insulting and putting down other aiming systems, or aiming methods. We don't beat on CTEers. We're just tired of seeing videos as to why our methods don't work. They clearly do. Just as well as CTE.

Well Shawn, you have shown me one thing. And that is that you have nothing as a counter except to make up things that weren't said, and then condemn those things, and to throw insults around.

Here's a news flash for you- NO ONE IS SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO USE CTE! If you are tired of CTE, stay away from it.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Well Shawn, you have shown me one thing. And that is that you have nothing as a counter except to make up things that weren't said, and then condemn those things, and to throw insults around.

Here's a news flash for you- NO ONE IS SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO USE CTE! If you are tired of CTE, stay away from it.

Good lord. More tin foil helmets to pass out.

Use your system. I could care less. I'm not claiming it doesn't work. What I'm tired of is people like you and John claiming its superiority based on your own personal experience. Use whatever aiming system you want. Just don't slag mine in an attempt to make yours seem better.

Do you understand my point now, pookie?

 

[Neil]

Joey,

Your point is well taken. Your explanation is basically the form of ghost-ball aiming I demonstrate in the following video, where I show how to use the cue and visual indicators to target the center of the ghost-ball position:

NV D.9 - How to Aim Pool Shots - Ghostball Aiming System - from Vol-II of the BU instructional DVD series

However, I wanted to make the point that any "aiming system" that requires that you visualize where the CB must be at contact with the OB can be characterized as ghost-ball aiming.

If you aim by "seeing the angle" of the shot, you are visualizing where to send the CB to create the necessary cut angle for the shot. If you aim by visualizing the necessary point of contact, you are visualizing where to send the CB to create the necessary contact point on the OB. If you aim by visualizing the required amount of CB-OB overlap at contact, you are visualizing where the CB must be at contact to create the necessary ball-hit fraction.

With ghost ball aiming, you must visualize where the CB must be at contact with the OB to create the necessary cut angle, contact point, and ball overlap. You still must send the center of the CB to the center of the necessary ghost-ball position, but one doesn't need to focus strictly on the center of the ghost-ball position to accomplish this. As demonstrated in my video, one can focus on a spot on the OB or cloth or on a distance from an edge or on an amount of ball overlap.

Regards,
Dave

Dave, you are very wrong on this statement. What you stated is equivalent to saying that since all shots require an overlap of some amount of the cb to the ob, then all shots are really made using equal/opposite system, or are made using fractional systems, or are made using contact point to contact point systems.

That's just not true. If one is truly using ghost ball aiming, they are no longer even looking at the ob, but only aligning center cb to center ghost ball cb.

So, to say that since the cb has to end up in the ghost ball cb position, then it must be ghost ball aiming is just flat out wrong.

edit: How one arrives at the ghost ball position is what defines what aiming system/method they use. Not just the fact that they ended up at the same position no matter what system was used to get there.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Dave, you are very wrong on this statement. What you stated is equivalent to saying that since all shots require an overlap of some amount of the cb to the ob, then all shots are really made using equal/opposite system, or are made using fractional systems, or are made using contact point to contact point systems.

That's just not true. If one is truly using ghost ball aiming, they are no longer even looking at the ob, but only aligning center cb to center ghost ball cb.

So, to say that since the cb has to end up in the ghost ball cb position, then it must be ghost ball aiming is just flat out wrong.

Just keep using CTE. And stop correcting us ignorant, non CTE users. We revel in our ignorance.

Go back to the aiming subforum, please. Take JB, cookie, GoldenShower, and Beibs with you.

 

[Neil]

Good lord. More tin foil helmets to pass out.

Use your system. I could care less. I'm not claiming it doesn't work. What I'm tired of is people like you and John claiming its superiority based on your own personal experience. Use whatever aiming system you want. Just don't slag mine in an attempt to make yours seem better.

Do you understand my point now, pookie?

Shawn, I never said you said that it doesn't work, so your argument there is nothing more than pure b.s. Again, if you are tired of John and I stating that we think CTE is the best system out there, then simply don't read posts about CTE. Or aren't you capable of doing that?

The only system I "slagged" here was ghost ball. And, I was correct in what I stated about it. So, if that is what you use, sorry you don't seem to be able to handle the truth about it. If you don't use ghost ball, then you are just making crap up again about me knocking what ever you do use. I don't care what system you use. There are a lot of good ones out there. I have always stated that one should use what works for them.

The real problem isn't CTE, or even any posts about it. The problem you have is the same problem that so many on the left have with Trump. You have taken a side where one hadn't even need take a side, and any time you hear the word CTE you go off into yet another rant. You don't even know what you are ranting about, and you are perfectly willing to make crap up to rant about, but you just feel the need to have to rant to be against it. So, just grow up and learn to walk away from it, or even better, actually learn about it so you at least know what it is you are against.

 

[Neil]

Just keep using CTE. And stop correcting us ignorant, non CTE users. We revel in our ignorance.

Go back to the aiming subforum, please. Take JB, cookie, GoldenShower, and Beibs with you.

Oh, someone said "aiming" make it stop! I can't take it! We must remove it from the main pool forum because I'm too sensitive to handle it! And, I can't stop from reading about it. Someone help me, please!

I do have to say though, I do agree with your first paragraph above. Very accurate.

 

[GoldenFlash]

Golden Flush..Lenny's m'bud!..Unlike myself, he is a master of diplomacy!..He is just trying to avoid telling Barton, that he knows he is a complete, overstuffed know-it-all turkey!
PS..Good job Lendon!..JB doesn't suspect a thing.. (he probably thinks you got smart, from watching his videos)

I agree with something you posted a while ago.
You need to go back to drinking.
You've lost touch with reality.
That dementia of yours has got to be a terrible thing for a good player like you were at one time.
Hang in there.