Pool Personalities

i question your comments on don willis
since he is known as the greatest undercover pool player i dont see him making a show
if you saw it i believe you
just that style would never have been my impression of how he worked a room

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I was a college kid, hanging out at Paddy's 7-11 Pool Hall on Broadway, above the Metropole Cafe near 51st Street in NYC. Walter Tevis' book, "The Hustler," had just been made into a movie and pool was hot in NYC. It was a late Spring Friday night, I believe, in 1965 when Don Willis and Dean Chance strode into Paddy's. They were both wearing white linen suits and cowboy hats. I never saw anything like it. Johnny Ervolino, Pots 'n Pans, Brooklyn Jimmy, Fast Eddie, Slim, New York Blackie, Deano....they were all there. The entire room turned their attention to Willis and Chance, who were fooling around on a 5x10 billiard table. After joking around and missing most of their shots, Willis worked the crowd, masterfully, into a proposition bet: he said that he could play a billiard by hitting the cue ball into the red ball, then jumping it off the table, running the cue ball across the floor and then completing the billiard on the floor by touching the other cue ball, which was about thirty feet away, nestled next to the foot of a Brunswick Gold Crown across the room. Willis and Chance were laughing and joking about how impossible such a shot really was, as if anyone was stupid enough try even try it. Dean Chance, who had already won the Cy Young Award in the American League, tried to shoot it and couldn't even jump the table with the cue ball. He "paid" Willis some money and then said that nobody could make that shot. Willis played the crowd some more and drew them in for the kill. He "bet" Chance, I think it was $1000, that he could make it if he got three tries. On the first shot, he almost miscued, missed by a mile, and there were snickers heard all over the room. Now, Don moved in for the kill. He side bet with anybody for any amount before the second shot. A few guys in the room were holding the stakes. I don't know what the total bet was, but it was a couple of thousand at least. Now, Don Willis chalked up, jacked up, and struck the cue ball perfectly. It jumped the table, ran along the uneven and worn out floor boards of Paddy's, and slowly came to rest as it struck the other cue ball, which Willis had "casually" placed against one of the feet of the old Gold Crown. The entire room erupted. Men were almost falling down, laughing, gasping, pointing and shouting. Don collected the money and he offered to bet again because he said that it was a lucky shot and he wanted to give everyone a chance to get their money back. There were no takers. Then Willis and Dean Chance left Paddy's. I never saw either of them again. I didn't even learn Don Willis' name until years later when I recounted this story to George Fels. George told me that Willis played the same con in Chicago at Bensinger's, where the cue ran down a flight of stairs. The gimmick, of course, is that Willis would go into the room when nobody was there several days before and figure out where the cue ball would naturally come to rest on the uneven floor. The rest was simply taking candy from a baby. This story is true, although I don't know who was on the "in" and who was on the "out" of the con.

Karl Kantrowitz,

New Jersey
 
All excellent choices. BUT, why no women players? I guess I could add a couple, Jean Balukas-Jeraldine Titcomb, Bonnie Hoffman, and Georgiana Castelle.(Cass) As for the men, damn, hard to add to your list! But, I'll go with Steve Cook, Paul Turner, and Baltimore Buddy!
 
At, I think, the first BC Open in Binghamton, NY, in the ball room after the tournament was over for the day. I was sitting watching the players with Mike Zuglan, who I've known for years. Weanie Beanie, Billy Incardona, Grady, Bucky Bell, maybe Keith, I'm not sure, and others I can't remember off hand. Mike and I were falling out of our chairs laughing and Mike had seen and heard it all a hundred times before. The riotous propositions and games offered and refused, the trash talk, the insults. I truly wish I had that whole session on tape somehow. Mike finally went to bed around midnight or so but I stayed until at least 1 or 2 am the following morning. What an absolute riot!!
 
Check out Keith in this 1988 match with Efren. Am I the only one to see a bit of the Mick Jagger stage strut?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwbkrXoo4xI

Actually, Keith reminds me of something my dad taught me while watching Larry Bird play basketball at ISU.

Bird, much like Keith, wanted the ball at the most critical time, even if he was having an off night. Dad told me that Bird's confidence in himself gave him such an edge that it was tough to beat. "All the greats, when it comes down crunch time, have confidence that they can make the key shot at the end of the game. Even if they have missed their last 10 in row, the greats, still have confidence."

Ken
 
The difference, of course, is that Willis could REALLY play, and far outpaced Fatty's tales. Don's proposition bets were legendary, much the same way as Titanic Thompson. There are many people here who know about Willis's skills...not the least of which is his nephew, who sometimes posts here.

Scott Lee
http://poolknowledge.com

Some of the tales about legendary pool, card, dice, and whatever type gamblers are suspect, in my opinion.
I never saw a poolroom where a person could walk in with loudmouth "I'm taking over" bluster about betting as high as the sky and not wind up getting his face slapped off and a pistol stuck in his nose by some ex-con or hoodlum hanging out looking for an easy score. Loudmouth strangers in pool rooms don't live very long. And, even if they win, the regulars would merely take the money back through violence.
These stories parallel some of Minnesota Fats' nonsense in his book about "I never lost a match for the cash in my life". Which is, of course, totally absurd.
It's always been my hope that all this stuff could be laid to rest once and for all and that this wonderful, difficult, game might finally get some decent credentials.
I guess I'm just a dreamer. :shrug:
 
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