Peace proposal

[Dan White]

I'm standing on the side of TRUTH and if truth hurts then deal with it ....I won't stand by idly without defending my position. The nature of forums Is that sometimes one has to get in the mud that full of hate, lies, deceit, jealousy, arrogance, ego and stupidity. I can take the TRUTH there for a swim and imerge unscathed.

Stan Shuffett

Congratulations, Stan! You managed to get my attention. You call cute little insults and jabs "THE TRUTH" but the moderators around here call it "baiting." I guess that needs a definition as it seems words like "objective" can mean whatever you want them to mean. "Baiting" is the practice of trying to elicit a response through bullying and intimidation. So here's my response:

The word "objective" means only one thing in regards to CTE Pro1. It means that if you perform steps 1,2,3 then the ball will be pocketed. There is no rote learning or subconscious adjustments (or feel) required to pocket the balls. I can destroy that stupid idea in a few sentences: Set up a 15 degree CTE shot and hit it softly. Now hit it again with a lot of speed. One goes and the other doesn't. FEEL, or experience developed from playing a lot (HAMB), is required to pocket the ball in both instances. Of course if you are Stan Shuffett you shoot every shot at warp speed so this isn't a variable that needs explaining to his students.

The problem with your youtube advertisements, which is what they really are, is that you keep using this word "objective." Plain and simple, this is false advertising and if you were running an actual business you would be subject to truth in advertising laws. You use this term yet have provided no proof that it is true. Oh, you say it will be shown in your great new book...just like CTE was going to be explained in DVD1, oh, wait, it is going to be explained for reals in DVD2, the Mother of All DVDs. Oh, wait again, it's going to be explained for double reals in the new book, along with free information since you screwed so many people on the first 2 DVD's and refused to provide refunds.

About that book... What exactly is the royalty payment going to be for Hal Houle's family? After all, you would be a nobody without Hal. Don't you think it would be a nice gesture to have Hal's family benefit from your success? You know, especially since you owe everything to Hal. You love to say how Hal only showed you a little, and if you "got it" he would show you more. Yeah, if he saw that you were actually swallowing the crap he was dishing out, he'd be happy to show you more. lol

So let's talk a little more about the truth. Maybe you aren't aware of the debate that goes on through pm and through email. The question is whether Stan is a delusional old man looking for meaning in his life or whether he is a smart snake oil salesman. I'd say the opinions are about 50/50 (maybe we should do a poll on AZ). Personally, I think that debate misses the point. The real culprit is that you just aren't that smart, Stan. It is simply astonishing that a grown man can waste 10 years of his life making subconscious aiming adjustments based on HAMB and then give some stupid aiming system the credit for it. There's a saying for that: "Stupid is as stupid does." And boy is that stupid (dumb f*ck some might even say).

So somebody has to say what everybody is thinking but is afraid to put it out there due to the moderators. You are a bully, Stan. You bully skeptics and even your supporters when they dare to question the cult orthodoxy. Funny thing is, to the majority of real players who know better, you are a bit of a laughing stock. There, I spoke the TRUTH, insensitive as it may be to mention.

Maybe you should look in the mirror the next time you wonder why there is so much arguing about CTE. Good instructors don't blame the student for failure. Well I suppose the dumb ones do... and the snake oil salesmen.

 

[stan shuffett]

Congratulations, Stan! You managed to get my attention. You call cute little insults and jabs "THE TRUTH" but the moderators around here call it "baiting." I guess that needs a definition as it seems words like "objective" can mean whatever you want them to mean. "Baiting" is the practice of trying to elicit a response through bullying and intimidation. So here's my response:

The word "objective" means only one thing in regards to CTE Pro1. It means that if you perform steps 1,2,3 then the ball will be pocketed. There is no rote learning or subconscious adjustments (or feel) required to pocket the balls. I can destroy that stupid idea in a few sentences: Set up a 15 degree CTE shot and hit it softly. Now hit it again with a lot of speed. One goes and the other doesn't. FEEL, or experience developed from playing a lot (HAMB), is required to pocket the ball in both instances. Of course if you are Stan Shuffett you shoot every shot at warp speed so this isn't a variable that needs explaining to his students.

The problem with your youtube advertisements, which is what they really are, is that you keep using this word "objective." Plain and simple, this is false advertising and if you were running an actual business you would be subject to truth in advertising laws. You use this term yet have provided no proof that it is true. Oh, you say it will be shown in your great new book...just like CTE was going to be explained in DVD1, oh, wait, it is going to be explained for reals in DVD2, the Mother of All DVDs. Oh, wait again, it's going to be explained for double reals in the new book, along with free information since you screwed so many people on the first 2 DVD's and refused to provide refunds.

About that book... What exactly is the royalty payment going to be for Hal Houle's family? After all, you would be a nobody without Hal. Don't you think it would be a nice gesture to have Hal's family benefit from your success? You know, especially since you owe everything to Hal. You love to say how Hal only showed you a little, and if you "got it" he would show you more. Yeah, if he saw that you were actually swallowing the crap he was dishing out, he'd be happy to show you more. lol

So let's talk a little more about the truth. Maybe you aren't aware of the debate that goes on through pm and through email. The question is whether Stan is a delusional old man looking for meaning in his life or whether he is a smart snake oil salesman. I'd say the opinions are about 50/50 (maybe we should do a poll on AZ). Personally, I think that debate misses the point. The real culprit is that you just aren't that smart, Stan. It is simply astonishing that a grown man can waste 10 years of his life making subconscious aiming adjustments based on HAMB and then give some stupid aiming system the credit for it. There's a saying for that: "Stupid is as stupid does." And boy is that stupid (dumb f*ck some might even say).

So somebody has to say what everybody is thinking but is afraid to put it out there due to the moderators. You are a bully, Stan. You bully skeptics and even your supporters when they dare to question the cult orthodoxy. Funny thing is, to the majority of real players who know better, you are a bit of a laughing stock. There, I spoke the TRUTH, insensitive as it may be to mention.

Maybe you should look in the mirror the next time you wonder why there is so much arguing about CTE. Good instructors don't blame the student for failure. Well I suppose the dumb ones do... and the snake oil salesmen.

You gonna squeal like a pig when you get wormed! LMAO

Guess what? CTE is one two three. It's all about knowing how to deal with the objectively for the arrangement of 3 ticks.

You're nuts about your 15 degree perception scenario.

Stan Shuffett

 

[justadub]

And there we go with the "objective" thing again.....sigh.

See what I mean, Brian?

 

[Neil]

Congratulations, Stan! You managed to get my attention. You call cute little insults and jabs "THE TRUTH" but the moderators around here call it "baiting." I guess that needs a definition as it seems words like "objective" can mean whatever you want them to mean. "Baiting" is the practice of trying to elicit a response through bullying and intimidation. So here's my response:

The word "objective" means only one thing in regards to CTE Pro1. It means that if you perform steps 1,2,3 then the ball will be pocketed. There is no rote learning or subconscious adjustments (or feel) required to pocket the balls. I can destroy that stupid idea in a few sentences: Set up a 15 degree CTE shot and hit it softly. Now hit it again with a lot of speed. One goes and the other doesn't. FEEL, or experience developed from playing a lot (HAMB), is required to pocket the ball in both instances. Of course if you are Stan Shuffett you shoot every shot at warp speed so this isn't a variable that needs explaining to his students.

The problem with your youtube advertisements, which is what they really are, is that you keep using this word "objective." Plain and simple, this is false advertising and if you were running an actual business you would be subject to truth in advertising laws. You use this term yet have provided no proof that it is true. Oh, you say it will be shown in your great new book...just like CTE was going to be explained in DVD1, oh, wait, it is going to be explained for reals in DVD2, the Mother of All DVDs. Oh, wait again, it's going to be explained for double reals in the new book, along with free information since you screwed so many people on the first 2 DVD's and refused to provide refunds.

About that book... What exactly is the royalty payment going to be for Hal Houle's family? After all, you would be a nobody without Hal. Don't you think it would be a nice gesture to have Hal's family benefit from your success? You know, especially since you owe everything to Hal. You love to say how Hal only showed you a little, and if you "got it" he would show you more. Yeah, if he saw that you were actually swallowing the crap he was dishing out, he'd be happy to show you more. lol

So let's talk a little more about the truth. Maybe you aren't aware of the debate that goes on through pm and through email. The question is whether Stan is a delusional old man looking for meaning in his life or whether he is a smart snake oil salesman. I'd say the opinions are about 50/50 (maybe we should do a poll on AZ). Personally, I think that debate misses the point. The real culprit is that you just aren't that smart, Stan. It is simply astonishing that a grown man can waste 10 years of his life making subconscious aiming adjustments based on HAMB and then give some stupid aiming system the credit for it. There's a saying for that: "Stupid is as stupid does." And boy is that stupid (dumb f*ck some might even say).

So somebody has to say what everybody is thinking but is afraid to put it out there due to the moderators. You are a bully, Stan. You bully skeptics and even your supporters when they dare to question the cult orthodoxy. Funny thing is, to the majority of real players who know better, you are a bit of a laughing stock. There, I spoke the TRUTH, insensitive as it may be to mention.

Maybe you should look in the mirror the next time you wonder why there is so much arguing about CTE. Good instructors don't blame the student for failure. Well I suppose the dumb ones do... and the snake oil salesmen.

Nothing quite like daring the mods to do something about you blatantly breaking the rules.

 

[Dan White]

You gonna squeal like a pig when you get wormed! LMAO

Guess what? CTE is one two three. It's all about knowing how to deal with the objectively for the arrangement of 3 ticks.

You're nuts about your 15 degree perception scenario.

Stan Shuffett

I'm calling your bluff, Scammin' Stan. I got $40,000 against yours that says you've got nothing. Post it to a neutral party. If you can show how a CTE/ETA alignment, performed identically in two different scenarios can produce different cut angles, you take home the cash and you publish your book for free.

Too complicated? OK, then how about just enlighten all of us nobody's how Scammin' Stan makes the same cut shot at different speeds?

What's an "objectively"? Arrangement of 3 ticks? Boy, this is getting better and better. I can't wait for the next installment.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I'm calling your bluff, Scammin' Stan. I got $40,000 against yours that says you've got nothing. Post it to a neutral party. If you can show how a CTE/ETA alignment, performed identically in two different scenarios can produce different cut angles, you take home the cash and you publish your book for free.

Too complicated? OK, then how about just enlighten all of us nobody's how Scammin' Stan makes the same cut shot at different speeds?

What's an "objectively"? Arrangement of 3 ticks? Boy, this is getting better and better. I can't wait for the next installment.

What happened to one of your favorite phrases: "I guess we'll just have to wait until the book comes out," INNOCENT DAN.

 

[Dan White]

What happened to one of your favorite phrases: "I guess we'll just have to wait until the book comes out," INNOCENT DAN.

I was giving Stan the benefit of the doubt, and even thought we were having reasonable exchanges. That would have been my preference but he kept on with the needling and jabbing. Enough is enough.

I don't have a beef with you. I'm sure you're a nice guy in real life, you just got caught up in the BS to the point where you would need an intervention to understand how you actually aim. Luckily, CTE isn't dangerous. It isn't a lifestyle, it's only pool.

Keep on truckin' :thumbup:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I was giving Stan the benefit of the doubt, and even thought we were having reasonable exchanges. That would have been my preference but he kept on with the needling and jabbing. Enough is enough.

I don't have a beef with you. I'm sure you're a nice guy in real life,

To my friends, people I love and respect, yes. To those who attack either of those two groups, NO!

you just got caught up in the BS to the point where you would need an intervention to understand how you actually aim.

Oh I DEFINITELY know how I aim and it's as Hal and Stan teach it. YOU don't know how I aim, can't figure it out, and probably never will. Even if you do, you won't admit it. Hey, you can't even describe how you aim.

Luckily, CTE isn't dangerous. It isn't a lifestyle, it's only pool.

Keep on truckin' :thumbup:

Then why are you so insane over it?

 

[Dan White]

Then why are you so insane over it?

You know the answer and yet you keep asking it over and over. Look at Brian BC21 as the latest example. Perfectly nice guy comes in here a few months ago to sell his book and to very politely engage in aiming conversation. Fast forward to today and you'd think he's a horrible person by the kind of vitriol he has taken in. Say what you want about me if you stupidly think I have some hidden agenda, but Brian is a "clean" or "untainted" case study in how unsuspecting people are demonized by the CTE clan.

 

[Neil]

You know the answer and yet you keep asking it over and over. Look at Brian BC21 as the latest example. Perfectly nice guy comes in here a few months ago to sell his book and to very politely engage in aiming conversation. Fast forward to today and you'd think he's a horrible person by the kind of vitriol he has taken in. Say what you want about me if you stupidly think I have some hidden agenda, but Brian is a "clean" or "untainted" case study in how unsuspecting people are demonized by the CTE clan.

Bull. And you know it. I really see no difference between what you are doing and what the fake media is doing. You are the CNN of AZB.

 

[Dan White]

Bull. And you know it. I really see no difference between what you are doing and what the fake media is doing. You are the CNN of AZB.

Exactly what is bull? Brian is deserving of being called Bianca, for instance? Are you guys in junior high school?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

You know the answer and yet you keep asking it over and over.

Sure, I know the answer but it's not what YOU think the answer is or what you think I think regarding the answer.

The answer is you just flat out don't get CTE and never will with your limited knowledge. You can't see past your nose. That is the answer.

Look at Brian BC21 as the latest example. Perfectly nice guy comes in here a few months ago to sell his book and to very politely engage in aiming conversation. Fast forward to today and you'd think he's a horrible person by the kind of vitriol he has taken in. Say what you want about me if you stupidly think I have some hidden agenda, but Brian is a "clean" or "untainted" case study in how unsuspecting people are demonized by the CTE clan.

Now you're doing all that you've done over the last 5-10 years in the NAME OF BRIAN?! Give me a friggin' break! You've been an attack dog over CTE, Stan, and all of us who use it.

Brian didn't even join here until Feb. of 2017. If Brian gets whacked occasionally it's because he, like you, doesn't have a clue how the visuals and set up work and keeps incorrectly echoing what you say.

I'll bet Brian is smart enough to see the light before you do. But unlike you, I think he'll have the strength of character to say what you won't or never will and that is,
"I think I see what they've been saying all along. This does work for multiple cut angles by having an aiming alignment to the same place. I'll be damned."

But, maybe he'll never get it either. Time will tell.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Exactly what is bull? Brian is deserving of being called Bianca, for instance? Are you guys in junior high school?

It was Brianna, not Bianca. Brian is ten times the man you are. This rolls right off his back and doesn't bother him. How do you know if Brian hates my guts or not? Wanna bet he doesn't?

 

[Dan White]

Now you're doing all that you've done over the last 5-10 years in the NAME OF BRIAN?! Give me a friggin' break! You've been an attack dog over CTE, Stan, and all of us who use it.

How about calming the waters a little by just a quick explanation. I'm sure it will be so simple to explain that even I will understand: How do you aim the ETA/CTE perception and pocket balls at two different speeds without making micro adjustments? Go!

 

[SpiderWebComm]

How about calming the waters a little by just a quick explanation. I'm sure it will be so simple to explain that even I will understand: How do you aim the ETA/CTE perception and pocket balls at two different speeds without making micro adjustments? Go!

You tell me what you perceive and think first. GO!

 

[Neil]

How about calming the waters a little by just a quick explanation. I'm sure it will be so simple to explain that even I will understand: How do you aim the ETA/CTE perception and pocket balls at two different speeds without making micro adjustments? Go!

Who said one could? Seems like you are trying to lay to waste a claim only you have made. I don't recall Stan ever saying that one can shoot all shots with different speeds and get the same result.



so, you now are arguing against something that you made up. What's next? Arguing that CTE won't work with a masse' shot? I don't recall Stan directly stating that it won't, so there is your next bogus target.

 

[Dan White]

Who said one could? Seems like you are trying to lay to waste a claim only you have made. I don't recall Stan ever saying that one can shoot all shots with different speeds and get the same result.



so, you now are arguing against something that you made up. What's next? Arguing that CTE won't work with a masse' shot? I don't recall Stan directly stating that it won't, so there is your next bogus target.

Just to be clear, Neil is stating clearly for all that the path of the ob when using CTE is dependent on the speed of the shot.

Spider, as usual, is ducking the question.

Let's call it quits. Enough drama.

 

[ribdoner]

Just to be clear, Neil is stating clearly for all that the path of the ob when using CTE is dependent on the speed of the shot.

Spider, as usual, is ducking the question.

Let's call it quits. Enough drama.

good of time as any now that peace is at hand

 

[Neil]

Just to be clear, Neil is stating clearly for all that the path of the ob when using CTE is dependent on the speed of the shot.

Spider, as usual, is ducking the question.

Let's call it quits. Enough drama.

No, there you go with your reading comprehension problems and/or making up stuff to suite your agenda. I never stated that at all, not one way or the other. Typical of your posts though.

 

[Dan White]

No, there you go with your reading comprehension problems and/or making up stuff to suite your agenda. I never stated that at all, not one way or the other. Typical of your posts though.

OK, let's try this again. I first asked,

How do you aim the ETA/CTE perception and pocket balls at two different speeds without making micro adjustments?

To which you replied:

I don't recall Stan ever saying that one can shoot all shots with different speeds and get the same result.

First of all, why did you say "all shots"? I specifically stated that if you are using, for example, the ETA/CTE perception for a given shot (think of a shot with hole reinforcers shot multiple times) then how do you send the ob in the same direction at a soft speed vs lightening fast like how Stan shoots?

Your answer was also, "Who said one could?" This means that Stan never said you could do that.

Would you care to set me straight? If CTE cannot accomplish such a task, then exactly how do you make it happen?

Is it clear enough for you now?